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re: Women believe the women. Men believe in due process.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 12:18 pm to DawgfaninCa
Posted on 12/13/17 at 12:18 pm to DawgfaninCa
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When was Hillary accused of sexually harassing or sexually assaulting someone and told to resign from office merely because of the accusation?
She was accused of a crime, and that accusation was cited many times over by people who didn't want to vote for her. Trump also made references to "crooked Hillary" many, many times.
This was all well before she was convicted of anything through due process. Regardless if you think she was guilty or innocent, she was given the same amount of "due process" in the public eye as Moore did for the accusations against him.
I'm glad Hillary isn't our president, but let's not pretend that "due process" is what everyone had at heart during this.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 12:21 pm to DawgfaninCa
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The fact is a lot of women want to throw due process out the window. They are just using this BS about believing the women in order to get rid of all those heterosexual Alpha males who are in office so they can be replaced by women or pussy worshippers who will do everything a woman wants them to do
Sorry, not everyone gravitates towards self-aggrandizing alpha males just for the frick of it. This is a diverse country and good leaders are not always cut from the same cloth. Keep playing that victim card and see where it gets you.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 12:38 pm to cahoots
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The fact is a lot of women want to throw due process out the window. They are just using this BS about believing the women in order to get rid of all those heterosexual Alpha males who are in office so they can be replaced by women or pussy worshippers who will do everything a woman wants them to do
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Sorry, not everyone gravitates towards self-aggrandizing alpha males just for the frick of it. This is a diverse country and good leaders are not always cut from the same cloth. Keep playing that victim card and see where it gets you.
Meh, back in the 60s when I was a Dumocrat, all the women in the Dumocratic Party were already whining about being victims because men are always in charge and they are still whining about it.
But don't worry women.
We men know the Men's Motto.
I'm a Man.
I can change.
If I have to.
I guess.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 12:47 pm to skrayper
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When was Hillary accused of sexually harassing or sexually assaulting someone and told to resign from office merely because of the accusation?
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She was accused of a crime, and that accusation was cited many times over by people who didn't want to vote for her. Trump also made references to "crooked Hillary" many, many times.
This was all well before she was convicted of anything through due process. Regardless if you think she was guilty or innocent, she was given the same amount of "due process" in the public eye as Moore did for the accusations against him.
I'm glad Hillary isn't our president, but let's not pretend that "due process" is what everyone had at heart during this.
Meh, the people calling for Hillary to be put in jail were basing their belief on some actual evidence and were more than willing to wait until she had due process before she had to step down from her "job".
Posted on 12/13/17 at 12:53 pm to Seldom Seen
Jesus Christ this board has really started to devolve
Posted on 12/13/17 at 12:57 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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I can both believe the women and believe in due process.
Yup. So can I.
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can you believe that OJ killed Nicole Brown Simpson but believe there wasn’t enough to convict him? Well there you go.
If there is not enough evidence to convict then you must acquit even if you personally believe the accused is guilty.
Anyone who demands that President Trump resign just because several women have accused him of sexually harassing or sexually assaulting them is just part of a lynch mob mentality.
That's as un-American as you can get.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:03 pm to DawgfaninCa
One can get fired from their place of employment for assault and not be convicted of the same crime. The burden of proof in the workplace is different than that of the criminal justice system. The American justice system believes that burden is “beyond a reasonable doubt”. It is entirely consistent with America that “more likely than unlikely” is enough to warrant impeachment proceedings which would then result in the republican led senate to vote to not convict him.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:04 pm to LSU Fan 90812
And why worry that he ll resign? He won’t.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:06 pm to DawgfaninCa
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because several women have accused him of sexually harassing or sexually assaulting them is just part of a lynch mob mentality.
Trump called for Hillary to be locked up throughout his campaign. What was the charge?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:12 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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I can both believe the women and believe in due process. Due process is a legal term.
And it something to think about when you think about the nonsense most of these nancies are whining about.
In employment law, the claimant puts on the prima facie case. If they make a basic case, the case moves on to the defendant explaining the reasons for the company decision.
"Believing the woman" has to do with allowing the woman to tell her side of the story, and not shutting her up just because it wsa twenty years ago or because she was fired or because she was jilted in some way.
It doesn't mean there is no due process. It just means you don't discount the claims like many of the scumbag Moore supporters did.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:06 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Now, it's insane and un-American for anyone to think that.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 5:08 pm to oman
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"Believing the woman" has to do with allowing the woman to tell her side of the story, and not shutting her up just because it wsa twenty years ago or because she was fired or because she was jilted in some way.
It doesn't mean there is no due process. It just means you don't discount the claims like many of the scumbag Moore supporters did.
Stop lying.
"Believing the woman" means "believing the woman" based on her testimony alone when she has no evidence to prove her accusation and even when the supposed incident occurred decades ago.
Most crimes have a statute of limitations for a reason.
Do you know what that reason is?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 5:17 pm to cahoots
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Trump called for Hillary to be locked up throughout his campaign. What was the charge?
Meh. President Trump was calling for Hillary to be locked up after giving her due process.
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What was the charge?
She endangered national security by putting classified material on her personal email account.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 5:30 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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One can get fired from their place of employment for assault and not be convicted of the same crime. The burden of proof in the workplace is different than that of the criminal justice system.
I know that.
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The American justice system believes that burden is “beyond a reasonable doubt”. It is entirely consistent with America that “more likely than unlikely” is enough to warrant impeachment proceedings which would then result in the republican led senate to vote to not convict him.
Bringing in a group of women who each claim President Trump sexually assaulted or harassed them in a separate incident is not evidence that proves "beyond a reasonable doubt" or even "more likely than unlikely" that President Trump sexually assaulted or harassed any of them.
That's why a defendant's past crimes aren't allowed to be used as evidence that the defendant committed the crime they are charged with committing.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 5:43 pm to DawgfaninCa
You sound like a sore loser lefty.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:03 pm to Ham Malone
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You sound like a sore loser lefty.
How does believing in due process make me sound like a sore loser lefty?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:22 pm to DawgfaninCa
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"Believing the woman" means "believing the woman" based on her testimony alone when she has no evidence to prove her accusation and even when the supposed incident occurred decades ago.
I guess if you are dim witted that's what you might believe.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:29 pm to oman
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"Believing the woman" means "believing the woman" based on her testimony alone when she has no evidence to prove her accusation and even when the supposed incident occurred decades ago.
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I guess if you are dim witted that's what you might believe.
Meh, if "believing the woman" doesn't mean "believing the woman" based on her testimony alone when she has no evidence to prove her accusation and even when the supposed incident occurred decades ago then what are you "believing the women" based on besides their personal testimony?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:34 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Bringing in a group of women who each claim President Trump sexually assaulted or harassed them in a separate incident is not evidence that proves "beyond a reasonable doubt" or even "more likely than unlikely" that President Trump sexually assaulted or harassed any of them.
That's why a defendant's past crimes aren't allowed to be used as evidence that the defendant committed the crime they are charged with committing.
You know how I know you're either not a lawyer or a real shitty one?
Because you are equating what is generally admissible evidence in a sexual harassment claim with what is generally admissible in a criminal case.
("More likely than unlikely"?)
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