re: Will the USA ever Balkanize?

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Will the USA ever Balkanize?

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No, I would prefer a bloody and savage civil war.

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Do you understand the history of how Yugoslavia ultimately broke up? It was both bloody and savage.

I believe it’s inevitable given the vast number of differing beliefs. America was founded on a much more homogeneous mixture of Christian peoples and culture, and although we differed in smaller things, we always had our common faith and value system as the bedrock that kept us together. Today, it is much different given the different faiths, no faith, weak Christianity, and weak morality, polar opposite political aspirations, and directions that I don’t see how we will maintain this union for much longer.

The civil war was largely fought over much smaller differences than today. I think the only thing keeping this place together at present is the economy. When that fails, it will split apart in very short order.

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The civil war was largely fought over much smaller differences than today.

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Slavery was the main political difference of the day and is a much bigger political issue than anything we currently face.

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Today, it is much different given the different faiths, no faith, weak Christianity, and weak morality, polar opposite political aspirations, and directions that I don’t see how we will maintain this union for much longer.

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You need to go read up on the Founders a bit more.

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Slavery was the main political difference of the day and is a much bigger political issue than anything we currently face.

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Slavery was not a political division amongst the people as it was amongst the ruling classes. That was about power.

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You need to go read up on the Founders a bit more.

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I’ve read plenty.

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I'd love too. I don't want to live around these people.

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The problem is how you can accomplish this geographically. America is not as polarized as social media and message boards project and there are few states that are all red or blue. This also ignores the 10% or so of the population that flips around and the moderate 50-60% around that 10%.

Take Texas. You still have Houston, Austin, Dallas/Forth Worth, San Antonio, etc. to deal with. Roughly 45% of the population in TX is democrat.

You can do the same with California in the reverse (but it's more like 40% of the population is opposing the majority view)

No the perfect time to seperate was 1861, people moved around very little and values, politics etc tended to be very regionalized, its the last time there was a distinctive dividing line. The Northern victory led us to federalism, centralized govt and being ruled by people who did not share values, since then modern ways of transportation and communication have broken down those homogeneous groups, everything now is 60-40 one way or the other, there just isnt the clear dividing line to break apart anymore.

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I say yes.. it's only a matter of time.

Some cultures don't mix and this "American Experiment" might get dicey as the years wane..

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I've thought for years now that the only real solution that doesn't involve a Civil War, massive bloodshed and loss of life is an amicable divorce. Balkanize and split the lower 48 into 5 different countries.

- South (Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas)
- Northeast (New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland)
- Midwest (Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri)
- Big Sky (North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Nevada, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho)
- West Coast (California, Oregon, Washington)

Let New Mexico rejoin Mexico, it has more in common with Mexico anyway. Let Hawaii become it's own country again. Let Alaska either join Canada or become it's own country. All the territories would just become their own countries again.

The U.S. can no longer stay together long term. It's not just policy differences anymore. Conservatives and Liberals have fundamentally different views of the world that are simply not going to change. If anything they'll get more radical and Conservatives and Liberals are going to slide further apart.

With this, the U.S. will become impossible to truly govern. The only long term outcomes I see are a peaceful split, a Civil War or true authoritarianism or socialism. Only a peaceful split spares us massive pain and loss of life.

The individual countries of the former U.S. would set their own constitutions, law, cultures and forms of government. To make it fair, provide a 5 year window where people can move in between the countries with no issue, just like people can move in between states today. After 5 years, the countries are solidified are you would have to immigrate to move countries, if that country allows it.

And yes, it will be hard. Conservatives who have lived in places like California and New York their whole lives will have to move or accept being under a socialist or even communist government. Liberals who have lived in places like Texas or in cities like Chicago their whole lives will have to move or accept being under a conservative government that is going to make them be viable on their own and provide very few government services. Perhaps even a government that is a Christian theocracy, where there isn't a firm separation between Church and State.

But balkanization is the only good way forward. Otherwise the U.S. will end up destroying itself. It will take things getting worse, but I think when that does happen, most will agree that the two sides can't coexist anymore and that balkanization will make both sides happier.

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330 million of the most diverse people on earth cannot be ruled by one govt and two parties. It makes zero sense, unless the Fed Gov is stripped of most duties.

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Agreed, and it amazes me that people think the U.S., in it's current condition, can survive long term.

If the U.S. was in it's original intention (truly 50 different countries, 50 different experiments on how to live and govern, with a very minimal Federal Government) I could maybe see it. Back then you had more loyalty to your state, and that's what it needs to go back to. And I think balkanization brings the U.S. back to more of what it was intended. But we all the Deep State will never allow the Federal Government to be minimized.

Politically you have 4 different political views trying to fit into the 2 party system. You already have Civil Wars in both the Republican (between the Traditional War-Hawk NeoCons and MAGA) and Democrat (between the Traditional Blue Dog Big Labor Democrat and the Antifa/Socialist/Communist Wing) parties. That just isn't sustainable long term.

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Back then you had more loyalty to your state, and that's what it needs to go back to.

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Well I hope you're mad at the Trump push to eradicates states rights and expand federal power.