re: Wikileaks schools NPR, beats NPR like a rented mule

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That's exactly what they released.

Or are you claiming the info they released was fake ?

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I'm claiming it's targeted.

You can admit they're not the heroes you want them to be.

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I'm claiming it's targeted.

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Targeted doesn't make it untrue.

Care to try again?

He's saying it doesn't matter to him if wikileaks is a foreign asset- why should it if our own govt cant be trusted?

Which is fair imo. Just be honest about what you're dealing with.

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Selectively withholding the truth is as good as lying.

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What truth are they withholding?

Even if they are withholding something it doesn't make their other leaks false. Try again

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Selectively withholding portions of the truth is the same thing as lying

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What portions of the truth did Wikileaks withhold?

Russialeaks wouldn't know because they never acknowledge when the publish false info but real news organizations issue clarifications to correct things within breaking stories.

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Possiblity #1: Wikileaks is composed of people from the West.

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Largely, but not entirely. They actually have Russian staff. Even if they didn't that doesn't mean people not from the West can't and don't try to reach out to them (as stated by the former employee).

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Possibility #2: Wikileaks volunteers and employees generally speak English and other European languages, making it more difficult to communicate with leakers from other parts of the world.

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See above. They have Slavic language speakers. And most educated Russia's speak some English, so presumably anyone with access to high-level information wouldn't have trouble communicating with westerners.

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Possibility #3: Wikileaks is more concerned with corruption that involves the most influential entities of the world-- the US and its allies.

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Russia is currently occupying one country, fighting a war in another, attempting to leverage its natural resources for influence in Europe, and reportedly supporting various nativist and nationalist parties on the continent. They're influential enough.

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Possibility #4: Nations with less totalitarian governments tend to have less control over information and tend produce more whistle-blowers.

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This is probably true, though one might expect significant dissent from those in a position to challenge such a regime. The USSR had its share, as does Putin. It strains credulity that literally none has attempted to expose some of the regime's shady activities by whatever means, including Wikileaks, which is the highest profile.

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Yes, because the only explanation for Wikileaks posting more leaks on the West rather than Russia and China is because Russia and China are conspiring with Wikileaks. Let me help you think about it since it seems to be hard for you.

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No. I didn't say it was the only explanation. I said it seemed implausible that one of the most active regimes on Earth, with commercial, diplomatic, and intelligence nexus all around the world (NK doesn't have those) is completely devoid of leaks. The Russian government, like the Soviets before them, have a history of internal dissenters, defectors, spies, etc. Putin has a number of high-profile political enemies living abroad. In that environment, things do leak. I mentioned that the long-held notion (at least in diplomatic and intelligence circles) that Wikileaks was reticent to expose Russia was specifically corroborated by at least one former employee.

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It's important to the discussion which you are participating in.

Not everything is about YOU. GOD.

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His reply was directed to me. Good thing I said:

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I'm not sure why you think this is important to me.

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He can make any point he likes. That doesn't mean I have to care about it.

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Largely, but not entirely. They actually have Russian staff. Even if they didn't that doesn't mean people not from the West can't and don't try to reach out to them (as stated by the former employee).

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If I worked for a group whose goal was to out corruption in the political and intelligence communities, 95% of my focus would be upon those entities that affect me and the people I love. 99.99999% would be focused upon places where the people(via the vote) have the ability to actually DO SOMETHING about the information I provide.