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Why were former members of the U.S. military driving around Haiti heavily armed?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:09 am
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:09 am
Miami Herald
PORT-AU-PRINCE
Three are former U.S. military and a fourth once worked as a federal contractor for the U.S. government.
But what may have brought them to Haiti and put them together on a Port-au-Prince street remained a mystery Tuesday as Haitian police continued their investigation into the arrest of eight heavily armed men, including five Americans.
Christopher Michael Osman, Kent Leland Kroeker and Christopher Mark McKinley are all veterans, and are among the five Americans police arrested on Sunday afternoon, about a block from the country’s central bank in downtown Port-au-Prince. Riding in two vehicles, a Toyota Prado and Ford Pickup, without license plates, they were stopped at a police checkpoint and questioned.
Inside their vehicles: six automatic rifles, six pistols, two professional drones and three satellite phones, police told the Miami Herald.
On Tuesday, another stunning revelation: A letter from a local car dealership to the prime minister revealed that one of the vehicles, the Ford, was purchased by a former government official and sent to the care of Fritz Jean-Louis, an adviser of President Jovenel Moïse. Jean-Louis has since fled the country, police said.
Pretty rag tag group of misfit former military guys riding through Haiti that's for sure.
PORT-AU-PRINCE
Three are former U.S. military and a fourth once worked as a federal contractor for the U.S. government.
But what may have brought them to Haiti and put them together on a Port-au-Prince street remained a mystery Tuesday as Haitian police continued their investigation into the arrest of eight heavily armed men, including five Americans.
Christopher Michael Osman, Kent Leland Kroeker and Christopher Mark McKinley are all veterans, and are among the five Americans police arrested on Sunday afternoon, about a block from the country’s central bank in downtown Port-au-Prince. Riding in two vehicles, a Toyota Prado and Ford Pickup, without license plates, they were stopped at a police checkpoint and questioned.
Inside their vehicles: six automatic rifles, six pistols, two professional drones and three satellite phones, police told the Miami Herald.
On Tuesday, another stunning revelation: A letter from a local car dealership to the prime minister revealed that one of the vehicles, the Ford, was purchased by a former government official and sent to the care of Fritz Jean-Louis, an adviser of President Jovenel Moïse. Jean-Louis has since fled the country, police said.
Pretty rag tag group of misfit former military guys riding through Haiti that's for sure.
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Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:13 am to MrLSU
Probably rounding up "orphans" for the Clintons to rape and satisfy their bloodlust.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:15 am to MrLSU
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Why were former members of the U.S. military driving around Haiti heavily armed?
I’m sure there are many parts of Haiti you’d rather be heavily armed in.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:16 am to MrLSU
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:18 am to MrLSU
So these guys were white guys or what?
I mean there are plenty of vehicles down there without tags. Bunches of them.
KBR still has some assets down there and the right to provide security ... that’s the first thing that comes to mind. Usually they do so with locals hand in hand to some extent.
Now, if those guys are blue badgers then that’s a horse of a different color but something doesn’t pass the smell test on this one.
It’s almost like implying they were going to hit the bank but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever if you know the little area where they are talking about here along with why they would have set up a check point there in the first place.
This is a set up of some sort but against who and why is the question.
As far as why they were armed ... everyone is armed down there. It’s as bad as parts of east and central Africa, if not worse, Worse violence, worse corruption, worse HIV. It’s a shithole third world country and no contractor worth his salt is going to be there for no reason working a rogue unaffiliated contract unless they are protected with the right papers in hand.
I mean there are plenty of vehicles down there without tags. Bunches of them.
KBR still has some assets down there and the right to provide security ... that’s the first thing that comes to mind. Usually they do so with locals hand in hand to some extent.
Now, if those guys are blue badgers then that’s a horse of a different color but something doesn’t pass the smell test on this one.
It’s almost like implying they were going to hit the bank but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever if you know the little area where they are talking about here along with why they would have set up a check point there in the first place.
This is a set up of some sort but against who and why is the question.
As far as why they were armed ... everyone is armed down there. It’s as bad as parts of east and central Africa, if not worse, Worse violence, worse corruption, worse HIV. It’s a shithole third world country and no contractor worth his salt is going to be there for no reason working a rogue unaffiliated contract unless they are protected with the right papers in hand.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 12:23 am
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:22 am to scrooster
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So these guys were white guys or what?
Osman, 44, is also a former Navy Seal but with a checkered past, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune. In 2017, he was convicted and sentenced in a road-rage attack. A former Marine, he pleaded guilty in Superior Court in Chula Vista to a sole count of misdemeanor assault in the beating of a man. He is described in a study as one of the first elite commandos to fight in Afghanistan following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks., according to the Union-Tribune.
Meanwhile, McKinley, 49, has had a few brushes with law enforcement in Ohio, and appears to have once filed bankruptcy, according to public records. He also holds a professional license as a physician’s assistant. Records also list a Christopher McKinley who also goes by the last name Heben, or Christopher Heben McKinley. A story in an Ohio paper on a Christopher Heben described him as decorated veteran and former Navy SEAL.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:23 am to scrooster
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This is a set up of some sort but against who and why is the question.
On Tuesday, another stunning revelation: A letter from a local car dealership to the prime minister revealed that one of the vehicles, the Ford, was purchased by a former government official and sent to the care of Fritz Jean-Louis, an adviser of President Jovenel Moïse. Jean-Louis has since fled the country, police said.
Police found license plates inside the vehicles, and at least one was registered to Jean-Louis.
“If I was in the place of [the judicial police] I would arrest Fritz Jean-Louis,” said Pierre Esperance, a human rights activist who published the names of the men in a report commending the Haiti National Police for the arrest and its professionalism.
Jean-Louis, Esperance said, pulled up to the checkpoint during the police questioning and was let go by police who were more concerned about the five Americans, two Serbians and a Haitian national they had just stopped. Jean-Louis was also one of the first to float the idea that “the men were on a mission in Haiti to evaluate the” central bank.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:23 am to scrooster
KBR, blue badgers...? I’m not privy to this lingo.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:29 am to scrooster
They were doing bad shite! DS stuff would be the obvious guess!
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:34 am to MrLSU
Yeah, well, there you go. This was definitely a set up.
These guys were under the impression that they were pulling security for someone otherwise they would have never been stupid enough to drive into a check point with no tags .... and they would have had an escape route in place and fired-up anyone who tried to take them down. That’s just how those crews work.
This was amatuer hour and someone is going to pay some kind of price.
My bet is the Americans will be used as bargaining chips for something. We’ll find out soon enough what that is.
The place is a shite hole. I was there for four months after the earthquake and when I finished I vowed I would never go back for any amount of money. I slept at night with a pistol under my while spooning with an AK, and that was with security pulling CQ on each end of our GP Medium.
Where the bank is located, right near the govenor’s building, is where most of the shite goes down and is usually heavily occupied by military who will throw down at the drop of a hat ... and often do.
This was all a set up. I just checked two of the contractor boards and they are saying there were other contractors on the island who are raising hell right now about their guys being set up.
These guys were under the impression that they were pulling security for someone otherwise they would have never been stupid enough to drive into a check point with no tags .... and they would have had an escape route in place and fired-up anyone who tried to take them down. That’s just how those crews work.
This was amatuer hour and someone is going to pay some kind of price.
My bet is the Americans will be used as bargaining chips for something. We’ll find out soon enough what that is.
The place is a shite hole. I was there for four months after the earthquake and when I finished I vowed I would never go back for any amount of money. I slept at night with a pistol under my while spooning with an AK, and that was with security pulling CQ on each end of our GP Medium.
Where the bank is located, right near the govenor’s building, is where most of the shite goes down and is usually heavily occupied by military who will throw down at the drop of a hat ... and often do.
This was all a set up. I just checked two of the contractor boards and they are saying there were other contractors on the island who are raising hell right now about their guys being set up.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:41 am to MrLSU
I’m diggin’ that black mamba sling on that one M4 though. That’s some leftover 3-pt rig from 2010 gear right there for sure.
lulz ... who rolls into a CQB shootout with a 3x9 Burris mounted on an M4?
WTF is this? Something really not right about this. Wait, is that a bi-pod? WTF?
lulz ... who rolls into a CQB shootout with a 3x9 Burris mounted on an M4?
WTF is this? Something really not right about this. Wait, is that a bi-pod? WTF?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:41 am to scrooster
Aside from Cite’ Soleil, the country is fairly safe if you have common sense and street smarts.
More likely to be involved in a road traffic accident than anything else.
I have travelled and worked from one end of the island to the other, unscathed, without a weapon, with no problems, and without fear.
Goat steak and a cold Prestige is worth the trip.
The beach in Jacmel is pretty sweet.
New Orleans is far more dangerous than most of Haiti.
More likely to be involved in a road traffic accident than anything else.
I have travelled and worked from one end of the island to the other, unscathed, without a weapon, with no problems, and without fear.
Goat steak and a cold Prestige is worth the trip.
The beach in Jacmel is pretty sweet.
New Orleans is far more dangerous than most of Haiti.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 1:47 am
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:02 am to MoLiberty
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Aside from Cite’ Soleil, the country is fairly safe if you have common sense and street smarts.
So not safe then!!!
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:21 am to omegaman66
Safe is subjective.
Compared to some of the other hotspots I have been to, it’s a pretty tame place.
Few tips for success: avoid political demonstrations, don’t drink with the natives, sleep under a mosquito net, bring some cipro in the event of infectious diarrhea, maintain a wide berth from the blue badgers (UN)
Don’t travel through Cite’ Soleil.
Compared to some of the other hotspots I have been to, it’s a pretty tame place.
Few tips for success: avoid political demonstrations, don’t drink with the natives, sleep under a mosquito net, bring some cipro in the event of infectious diarrhea, maintain a wide berth from the blue badgers (UN)
Don’t travel through Cite’ Soleil.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:23 am to MoLiberty
I thought blue badgers were CIA and blue helmets were UN?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:26 am to DragginFly
UN are issued diplomatic passports, the covers are blue. Matches the helmet.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 2:28 am
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:29 am to DragginFly
The “peacekeepers” wear the helmets.
UN staff are dressed smart or wear the typical contractor/adventurist garb.
Depend on whether they are field or support staff.
Easily profiled.
UN staff are dressed smart or wear the typical contractor/adventurist garb.
Depend on whether they are field or support staff.
Easily profiled.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 4:04 am to MoLiberty
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Aside from Cite’ Soleil, the country is fairly safe if you have common sense and street smarts.
You obviously haven't been there in February. There's a reason it has the same level travel advisory as South Sudan, Afghanistan, and Somalia.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 4:41 am to Evolved Simian
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You obviously haven't been there in February. There's a reason it has the same level travel advisory as South Sudan, Afghanistan, and Somalia.
Been there, done that.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 5:05 am to MoLiberty
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maintain a wide berth from the blue badgers (UN)
Care to elaborate on the dangers from these guys?
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