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re: Why not a healthy divorce rather than another civil war?
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:49 am to Lsujacket66
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:49 am to Lsujacket66
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Why not just divide shite up and let the libs become socialist Europe
I have no desire to be on a border with "Venezuala" in 5yrs...
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Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:51 am to xiv
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Because the people talking about civil war are mostly too fat to fight.
Fat>>>>>>>>>>>soy laden
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:53 am to LSUbest
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But the leftist won't go for that, they are getting laws in acted to FORCE the rest of us honor their gods.
They don't want their own country, they want ours!
What gods? Lol. This is batshit crazy. It's not "your" country.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:56 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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If we were to divide into conservative states and liberal states
It would be tough to do; the divide isn’t state by state it’s urban vs rural imho
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:57 am to LSUbest
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LSUbest
quote:Definitely not LSU's best.
they are getting laws in acted
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:04 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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It would be tough to do; the divide isn’t state by state it’s urban vs rural imho
Agreed, would be too tough to divide by state.
In TX for example, ALL major cities lean left but the rural areas are still very much red.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:12 am to idlewatcher
quote:It's pretty much the same in California and New York.
In TX for example, ALL major cities lean left but the rural areas are still very much red.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:25 am to SouthernHog
Because I think deep down inside the libs know who the producers are and don't feel confident in their ability to take care of or protect themselves.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:34 am to Lsujacket66
We don't need a divorce or a civil war. What we need is to do away with universal suffrage. I'm sorry but not every American adult deserves to vote, and our elected leaders bending to the wishes of the least common denominator among us is what has us in such poor shape as a nation. If people like Rex are allowed to rant and rave, but not vote, then people like Adam Schiff won't abandon all common sense and honesty to pander to them. Simple as that.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 12:20 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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. I'm sorry but not every American adult deserves to vote, and our elected leaders bending to the wishes of the least common denominator among us is what has us in such poor shape as a nation.
But then what would the Republicans do with all their trailer trash votes? But seriously, we all know the lowest common denominator ruins a generous portion of experiences for the more intellectual. They are, nevertheless, citizens guaranteed the right to pursue Liberty and happiness. I know the right-wing authoritarian in you wants to shut that down but its not gonna happen. Besides, who will believe all that right wing BS propaganda about invading armies if we do that?
Posted on 11/26/18 at 12:25 pm to Ebbandflow
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But then what would the Republicans do with all their trailer trash votes? But seriously, we all know the lowest common denominator ruins a generous portion of experiences for the more intellectual. They are, nevertheless, citizens guaranteed the right to pursue Liberty and happiness. I know the right-wing authoritarian in you wants to shut that down but its not gonna happen. Besides, who will believe all that right wing BS propaganda about invading armies if we do that?
Unlike you I don't pretend like idiots only exist on one side of the spectrum. Well, even you don't believe it, you're just a dishonest pile of shite.
I mean seriously 360M in this country and Hillary Cinton and Donald Trummp were the two people selected to run for President? Let's be honest, they both won nommination by virtue of the idiot vote.
And why oh liberal one do you believe the Constitution is a "living document" right up until someone suggests that voting should be changed?
Right now what we have is the equivalent of what you would have if you let your children run the household.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 12:26 pm to Lsujacket66
It can't happen because it's not up to people in a nation to exercise 'the freedom to not associate'. If it was up to the people then it would work. But it would have to be done by politicians. They are not ideologues driven by value systems. Politicians of both parties have one driving goal:
Make as much money as possible for as many years as possible by fooling as many people as possible.
The status quo is working out great for them. Why would they want to upset the cart?
Make as much money as possible for as many years as possible by fooling as many people as possible.
The status quo is working out great for them. Why would they want to upset the cart?
Posted on 11/26/18 at 12:58 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Unlike you I don't pretend like idiots only exist on one side of the spectrum. Well, even you don't believe it, you're just a dishonest pile of shite.
I know that. Idiots all around.
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mean seriously 360M in this country and Hillary Cinton and Donald Trummp were the two people selected to run for President? Let's be honest, they both won nommination by virtue of the idiot vote.
Not our finest hour.
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And why oh liberal one do you believe the Constitution is a "living document" right up until someone suggests that voting should be changed?
Because there is a big difference in aspects of the Constitution changing vs taking away the ability to have a true representation voting for those changes. I understand what you're saying but we just have to do a better job of Education in this country. Taking away the right for people to choose is an incredibly different concept than choosing to change something.
Maybe if we cultivated learning and education instead of the idea of being a millionaire then this country would actually have a chance of having substance and intellectual prowess. When you think of it Donald Trump is exactly what this country deserves because we are country that values money without earning it, trolling and insults, fear of cultures we don't understand, and a loss of love for intellectualism.
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Right now what we have is the equivalent of what you would have if you let your children run the household.
I absolutely agree with that
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:02 pm to Ebbandflow
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Because there is a big difference in aspects of the Constitution changing and taking away the ability to have a true representation voting for those changes.
No there isn't. In fact the COTUS has changed over the years to give more people the vote than the founding fathers originally intended, so we KNOW that who can and can't vote can be changed via the COTUS.
In point of fact until the 15th Amendment voting in this country was NOT a right. The 15th Amendment is the very first mention of the right to vote you will find in the COTUS.
If you want to disagree about taking away the automatic right to vote, that's a fair discussion, but saying "the right to vote is fundamental to this country and can't be changed" is wrong, because originally every adult did NOT have the right to vote, and the COTUS was amended to allow it.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:11 pm to DaGarun
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Especially since the split seems less state-driven and more urban vs. rural
All the Republicans can move to the desert and the Dakotas. Plenty of rural area there.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:12 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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No there isn't. In fact the COTUS has changed over the years to give more people the vote than the founding fathers originally intended, so we KNOW that who can and can't vote can be changed via the COTUS.
In point of fact until the 15th Amendment voting in this country was NOT a right. The 15th Amendment is the very first mention of the right to vote you will find in the COTUS.
If you want to disagree about taking away the automatic right to vote, that's a fair discussion, but saying "the right to vote is fundamental to this country and can't be changed" is wrong, because originally every adult did NOT have the right to vote, and the COTUS was amended to allow it.
I don't think you're following this conversation very well. There is absolutely zero precedent for taking voter rights away permanently, based on what you perceive is their aptitude. Voting in self it's guaranteed. If you were insinuating that the right for women to vote and black people to vote being granted gives you precedent to take something away, you would be incorrect.
Just to get back to your limiting of voting.... what exactly are your parameters that you are suggesting?
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:21 pm to Ebbandflow
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I don't think you're following this conversation very well.
One of us isn't , that's for sure
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There is absolutely zero precedent for taking voter rights away permanently
Of course there is, felons, for example, can't vote. Are you really suggesting that a government that can remove a right for one reason can't do so for other reasons?
Let's use gun ownership a an example. That's an enumerated right, can't be argued, Americans have the right to own guns. Yet that right can be restricted for a variety of reasons....... How is this possible , I mean you just told us rights can't be taken away.............
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If you were insinuating that the right for women to vote and black people to vote being granted gives you precedent to take something away, you would be incorrect.
I didn't insinuate that, you inferred it. What I DID say was that a document that can give rights can also remove rights. The COTUS has been used to give voting rights to people, so obviously it can be used to remove those rights.
I mean in theory , Americans could vote on an Amendment reconstituting slavery and if passed that would be the law of the land. THat's how our Constitution works. The majority literally CAN take away rights from the minority. Well, it would require a super majority, but you get the point.
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Just to get back to your limiting of voting.... what exactly are your parameters that you are suggesting?
Oh nothing extreme. How about picking 20 random questions from the current citizenship test and if you can't get 15 of them correct, you don't get to vote?
Surely we could expect our current citizens to know as much as prospective citizens if they want to vote?
And I'll bet 80% of voters couldn't pass such a test. The ones who cared about voting would study and the ones who studied would make better voters.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:28 pm to LakeCharles
quote:You’re just gonna stay on the internet and pretend to be tough.
Keep pushing and see where it gets you. It's not like we don't have 100 years of history to show where the left takes society and what they do to those that disagree with them. Communist, socialist, whatever you want to call it - they have ended in total power for a corrupt few.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:30 pm to xiv
Where in his post was he acting tough? Your insecurity is showing again.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:33 pm to BBONDS25
:okcool:
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