re: Why is Pizzagate Debunked

I thought walnut sauce was code for the drug they extract from the tortured children?

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Who is “pizzagate shooter” Edgar Maddison Welch?

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https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2625901/

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With an “uncredited extra” part in The Bleeding, (2009) Starring: Armand Assante, DMX, Michael Madsen and famous British footballer, Vinnie Jones, people have been wondering why The New York Times fails to mention it.

Who is Harry L. Welch, Jr?.

Edgar Maddison Welch’s father, Harry L. Welch Jr. also has an IMDb page. One of Harry Welch’s companies is a film production company called Forever Young Productions, Inc. so it’s not unusual to see he also has an IMDb page. However, the things listed on his IMDb page are so far afield of film making, and are so unusual, they seem to be spoofs, or put another way, “fake”. All of the items listed on the Harry L. Welch Jr. IMDb page, he confirms on his personal website:

Harry has been a NRA firearms instructor for over 35 years. He is rated as a Fire Arm Training Counselor, which enables him to train others trying to get their instructor's rating. Harry has taught hundreds of civilians, military, and law enforcement officers in the tactical use of firearms and CCW classes. He is recognized as an expert firearms witness by the North Carolina Supreme Court.
Elected President of the North Carolina Crime Stoppers Association (two terms). Served as Executive Director for Protect-A-Child, a national, non-profit organization to prevent abuse and abduction of children. Appointed by Governor Jim Martin to the Governor's Commission on Child Victimization.
In 1988, President Ronald Reagan selected Harry to join 15 other broadcasters to visit US Military Installation in Colorado. They received national clearance from the US Defense Department to visit the Cheyenne Mountain Nuclear Bunker the alternate command center for NORAD.
Harry worked on federal, state and local task forces fighting the war on drugs. He served five years with the Rowan County ABC police. Duties included: stakeouts, watching illegal stills, patrolling the county for suspected bootleggers transporting non-tax paid whiskey, working undercover to purchase illegal liquor and participating in raids on stills and gambling houses. Their agency also worked with the U.S. Treasury Department's local office of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms which increased their coverage area to eight counties.
Harry is a special deputy with the Iredell County Sheriff's Department.
Curiously, this Washington Post article written extensively about Edgar Maddison Welch’s parents and home-life, also never mentions that Harry Welch Jr. works in law enforcement, has done under-cover operations, was a broadcaster hand-picked by Reagan, is an expert in fire arms, has national security clearance from the Department of Defense, or that he:

Served as Executive Director for Protect-A-Child, a national, non-profit organization to prevent abuse and abduction of children.
This seems like an obvious connection to the story about his son rescuing children- yet it is never mentioned.

What is Forever Young Productions, Inc.?

Edgar Madison Welch, his father Harry L. Welch Jr. and his mom Terri, all work for their family-owned film production company called, Forever Young Productions, Inc.

They make films with and about children. The public Facebook page of their film “Mermaid Treasure”, shows Edgar acting and assisting in the production, tagged in these behind the scenes production photos-which are the same photos on the website of Forever Young Productions.com.

Public pages on Facebook are in the Public Domain.

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Why is this significant?

If the New York Times had reported the story of a troubled actor from a family of child-rescuers, whose father was the president of an anti child abuse organization, there would be no issue. If they had reported it as the story of a troubled actor whose father works in law enforcement and who also owns and operates a film production company which makes films about children, there still might be no issue.

It’s impossible to prove from that Edgar Madison Welch was just an actor, paid to play the “pizzagate shooter role” in a piece of “news-theater”. Because of this uncovered information, it is also impossible to disprove.

What is real news and what is “fake news”?

Formally, the term “fake news” in popular language, as a descriptor- was not in use until recently. Researchers, suspicious of mainstream media by this time, wondered if the term “fake news” was manufactured and pumped out into “bogus” articles specifically in response to pizzagate- in order to “popularly discredit” the allegations without an investigation. Google Trends appears to corroborate this notion and show a bump in “fake news” just ahead of “pizzagate” at the onset.

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Researchers started to notice and track multiple waves of bots posting online in social media forums and added them to their “executive summaries” involving pizzagate itself:

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In an ironic twist, online researchers who created the website Pizzagate.com have offered $50,000 to anyone who can debunk their evidence without using “fake news” -which they describe as being Buzzfeed or CNN:

ATTENTION: There is a $50,000 reward to anybody who can successfully debunk every point on Pizzagate is not fake news. If Pizzagate and Pedogate is fake news then do the work and collect your money. We are legally obligated to pay up, as rewards are considered to be unilateral contracts. Please provide citations that do not bounce back to unsourced articles (eg. fake news such as Buzzfeed or CNN).

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It is now referred to as "Pedogate"

I am going to leave this here:

https://theweek.com/articles/851426/jeffrey-epstein-case-why-people-believe-pizzagate

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The Jeffrey Epstein case is why people believe in Pizzagate

Image Matthew Walther

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Epstein knows people. Lots of people. A list of his reported friends, business associates, and legal counselors reads like a #MeToo and Manhattan sleazebag All-Star team, with a few stringers pulled in from the media and both political parties: Woody Allen, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, Mort Zuckerman, Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, Ken Starr, Katie Couric, George Stephanopoulos, the current president of the United States.

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It will be at least another week before 2,000 or so pages of documents related to Epstein's exploits will be released following the order of an appeals court last week. When we finally see them we will likely be able to answer questions about the identities of the "numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known Prime Minister, and other world leaders" who have also been accused of sexual abuse by Epstein's alleged victims. Is one of them a Razorbacks football fan? Who was the "famous prime minister"? Was Trump speaking from personal experience when he said in 2002 that Epstein "likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side"?

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A nod to us here???

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We should keep all of this in mind the next time we feel inclined to sneer at so-called "low-information voters," especially the kookier sort. You know the people I mean. Wackos. Gun nuts. 8channers. Conspiracy theorists in Middle America who watch InfoWars (one of the few journalistic outlets to discuss the issue of pedophilia regularly) and post about QAnon and "spirit cooking" and the lizard people. The news that a globalized cabal of billionaires and politicians and journalists and Hollywood bigwigs might be flying around the world raping teenaged girls will not surprise them in the least because it is what they have long suspected.

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Among other things, the Epstein case forces us to ask ourselves some uncomfortable questions about the real meaning of "fake" news. There is, or should be, more to being informed than fact-checking formalism. If you have spent the last few years earnestly consuming mainstream left-of-center media in this country you will be under the impression that the United States has fallen under the control of a spray-tanned Mussolini clone who is never more than five minutes away from making birth control illegal. If you watch Fox News and read conservative publications, you no doubt bemoan the fact that Ronald Reagan's heir is being hamstrung by a bunch of avocado toast-eating feminist witches. Meanwhile, Alex Jones's audience will tell you that America, like the rest of the world, is ruled by a depraved internationalist elite whose ultimate allegiance is not to countries or political parties or ideologies but to one another. These people believe in nothing. They will safeguard their wealth and privilege at any cost. They will never break rank. And they will commit unspeakable crimes with impunity, while anyone who dares to speculate openly is sued or hounded out of public life as a kook.

Which of these worldviews is closest to the truth?

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https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xmgg/the-epstein-scandal-is-giving-qanon-everything-pizzagate-couldnt?ref=vice

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THE EPSTEIN SCANDAL IS GIVING QANON EVERYTHING PIZZAGATE COULDN’T

The Epstein Scandal Is Giving QAnon Everything Pizzagate Couldn't
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By Tess Owen Jul 10, 2019

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So far, not much has come true for believers of QAnon, the wild conspiracy theory that has captured hearts and minds among President Donald Trump’s most ardent MAGA fans. That is, until last weekend, when federal authorities arrested billionaire investor Jeffrey Epstein, accused of trafficking and abusing young girls. The case contains all the ingredients necessary to titillate the imaginations of the QAnon community, which revolves around the baseless theory that deep-state liberal elites are running a global child sex trafficking ring.

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Baseless???
What is the basis for the damn article

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And most importantly of all for the QAnon community: Their mysterious leader “Q” had posted about Epstein and his island nearly a year prior to his arrest. After so many crushing disappointments (for example, Trump’s political opponents were not, in fact, arrested en masse and sent to Guantanamo on December 5, as predicted by Q), the QAnon community has gleefully seized upon the Epstein case to argue that they were right all along. “The broadest grievances of the QAnon community revolve around corrupt elites who are untouched by the justice system, covered-up child abuse, and sex trafficking,” said Travis View, a researcher who hosts a podcast about QAnon. “Part of the promise of the QAnon is that these injustices will be corrected soon. You can see how the credible allegations and arrest of Jeffrey Epstein ticks all these boxes.”

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“The problem, which is typical of QAnon, is that they make outlandish claims that unnecessarily go beyond the evidence,” said View. “In the case of Epstein, they absurdly claim that Epstein Island contains secret underground tunnels in which children were abused and sacrificed. This is an echo of the satanic panic of the 80s, in which preschools were baselessly accused of containing tunnels used for hiding child abuse.”

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Notice how they correlate Q, pizzagate and Satanic panic...

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It’s often been described as a spinoff from the Pizzagate conspiracy, which posited that then-candidate Hillary Clinton and Democrat officials were running a child trafficking ring below the Comet Ping Pong pizza restaurant in D.C. The Pizzagate theory, which spread quickly via social media, inspired a man to drive six hours from North Carolina, armed with an AR-15, which he fired upon arrival. Nobody was hurt, but the incident was a tangible reminder that fake news and conspiracy theories can inspire real-world violence.

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For those new to this

Pizzagate was an organic movement that would have been better labeled Pedogate. Much like the Q movement, isolated claims were presented as dogmatic beliefs of the whole to discredit the movement en masse

Example: I, nor do many of the Pedogate community believe that children were being held in the basement of pizza joints (the media dismissal narrative)

I do believe that many prominent politicians were speaking in strange code about pizza. A certain pizza shop owner who has unusual political clot and was dating the head of Media Matters (a ministry of truth/dismissal entity) is likely part of an underground clicke/cult that controls powerful people through various blackmail arrangements

I have stated this consistently for those who were willing to listen

In light of the NXIVM revelations and now Epstein arrest, I /we will be proven right
May God have mercy on us all...

It was “debunked” by edict from the media and their handlers...

Count how many people chime in and say “there was no basement”
The point is that this was never the focus of claims made by folks in the movement

The media debunked it after the “shooting”

No serious interview with folks who sent the emails about the content
They were actually portrayed as victims of Russian interference (which morphed into an allegiance with Trump...)

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It’s impossible to prove from that Edgar Madison Welch was just an actor, paid to play the “pizzagate shooter role” in a piece of “news-theater”. Because of this uncovered information, it is also impossible to disprove.

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With rock-solid evidence like this, how can anyone NOT believe in pizzagate. It just makes too much sense.

When you're making extreme allegations, it really helps to have such strong information backing up your claims.

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drug they extract from the tortured children?

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You mean adrenachrome? Not sure about that. Look, I really don't believe most of the pizzagate stuf but these people are involved in bizarre hobbies for sure. Take a look at Tony Podestas art. Just Google image it. What normal person would display that?
John Podesta on the otherhand, has art dedicated to cannibalism. Google image that as well.

Things to look into:

Laura Silsby

Siraj Wahhaj

Joel Davis

Nihoul Affair

Peter Bright

I guess we'll see how much BLM when it comes to kids from Haiti.

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we'll see how much BLM when it comes to kids from Haiti.

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I think this is one of our DJT October Surprises.