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re: Why Does This Board Support Israel/Zionism?

Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:25 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:25 pm to
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I gave you a history of the conflict on page ten. You accused me of getting it from stormfront. I can understand that statement. You have no rebuttal other than blind accusations of bigotry, with so many hard facts staring you in the face, having come up through your arse and out your mouth.


You're history was incomplete, and peppered with your own opinion of matters and not facts. You also ignored that for a long time Jews and Arab lived peacefully together so calling it an invasion is complete dribble. It was a migration of people to an area that was far from "fully" occupied. Who helped build and improve the area. There was relative piece outside minor conflicts. When the British went to partition land there was a sizable Jewish population there and they split the land based off of where the people were living. The Arabs rejected the 1947 plan.
Posted by UL-SabanRival
Member since May 2013
4651 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:32 pm to
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Comparing Israel to the Nazis if a great tactic because of Israel origins

Israel's origins are from the nazis and ww2? I thought this was all over an extreeeeemely logical claim to land based on 5500 year old religious scripture.

But please, give me your "real analytic comparison," against which none of our stupid assertions could stand up. I her that response all the time, but the speaker always fails to dazzle me with his or her devastating intellect.
Posted by UL-SabanRival
Member since May 2013
4651 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:41 pm to
The British had and have absolutely no right to dole out possession of anything that isn't in Britain.

You forgot to mention the repeated declarations of Wilson and others that a Jewish state would not be possible without DISPOSSESSING the inhabitants of that region, which Ben-Gurion himself admitted.

Whether or not they had an official country according to western law is meaningless. People were driven from their homes and in many cases, wiped out. Go back and check the "miraculous clearing of the land" quote. That's the attitude, then and now. To deny it is either a display of ignorance or a lie. You seem reasonably intelligent, so I'll go with the latter.
Posted by fleaux
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
8741 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:43 pm to
So why blame Israel and not England?? That's what I dont understand.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:43 pm to
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I'm on a phone so you're not getting links.
"I'm going to pretend it's the year 2006 because I'm full of shite."
Posted by UL-SabanRival
Member since May 2013
4651 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 1:04 pm to
Who said I was choosing to blame Israel over Britain? Anyway, there was no Israel when all of this started, but the very earliest acts of terrorism were committed by Jewish settlers and de facto mafia style gangs. shite, until 9/11, the deadliest act of terrorism in history was the bombing of the King David hotel, which killed British soldiers.

Eta - but hey, they called them up on the phone and warned them first, so that makes it all okay, right?
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 1:07 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78293 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 3:37 pm to
England was incredibly bad at doling out land. This can be seen in a lot of countries like Iraq where you have 3 distinct sect of people lumped into one country. Who's land was it to give away f not England? And why not give some the Jews if there was a high density Jewish area? Te Palestinians no matter how long they lived there had never had any real control of the land. They moved there albeit sooner than the Jews by a large margin but there were Jewish and Arab areas.
Posted by UL-SabanRival
Member since May 2013
4651 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 6:51 pm to
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Who's land was it to give away f not England?

How about no one's? How about the people who lived there. And you seem to be ignoring the whole "as in Deir Yassin, so everywhere" sentiment repeatedly asserted by the highest level of Israeli founders.

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had never had any real control of the land.


Well, I guess the Israelis don't have much control over it either, if headlines for the last 60 years are any indication.

The entire concept of third party land partitioning, while nothing new to British people, is absurd, especially when there existed inhabitants that the fun bunch clearly stated they wanted to displace and, as their actions prove, by any means necessary. Oh, but I forgot, they're conquerors. No wait, they're victims. No wait, they're peaceful coexisters. They're everything, to everyone, everywhere and nowhere.

The funniest (read: most incredibly backstabbing and horrific) part is that when the British wouldn't allow settlers to pour in as rapidly as they wanted, they started bombing them as well. But more on that later. I'm not yet done with my brief history of Irgun.

But, you know, anon.

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Posted by Burt Reynolds
Monterey, CA
Member since Jul 2008
23880 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:21 am to
Israel created the rocket attacks. Like I said, the people that kidnapped the Israeli teens were not Hamas. It was a lone cell according to Micky Rosenfeld.

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In a Friday interview with the state-run BBC, Israeli Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld ruled out any links between the men responsible for the murdering of the three teenagers and Hamas, saying they are part of a “lone cell.” Israeli forces killed several Palestinians and arrested hundreds of others, including Hamas members and lawmakers, as part of the search for the three settlers, whom Israel claimed went missing in the West Bank on June 12. Hamas had denied involvement in the alleged disappearance of the teens. On June 30, Israel confirmed that the three Israeli settlers were dead and their bodies were buried in a field near the village of Halhul north of the city of al-Khalil (Hebron) in the West Bank. A day after the funeral of the three teenagers, Israeli settlers abducted and burned alive 17-year-old Palestinian Mohamed Abu Khdeir in the West Bank in retaliation for the incident. One of the main reasons that Israel launched its new war on Gaza was the regime’s accusations against Hamas over the kidnapping issue. The Palestinian death toll has reached 900 from more than two weeks of Israeli strikes. Around 5,700 Palestinians have also been injured in the onslaught. Israeli warplanes have been carrying out incessant airstrikes against the blockaded Gaza Strip since July 8. On July 17, thousands of Israeli soldiers launched a ground incursion into the densely-populated strip.

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BEIRUT: The Israeli Police Foreign Press Spokesman, Micky Rosenfeld, appears to have falsified the Israeli government’s claim that Hamas was responsible for the killing of three Israeli settler teens in June, by saying responsibility lies with a lone cell that operated without the complicity of Hamas’ leadership. The kidnapping and subsequent killing of three Israeli settler teens last month is considered to be a flashpoint for the escalated violence in Gaza -- that as of day 19 of the conflict has left 926 Palestinians, mostly civilians, dead. At the time Israeli authorities placed the blame squarely on Hamas, with Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu saying "They were kidnapped and murdered in cold blood by animals in human form. Hamas is responsible and Hamas will pay." Friday however, there appeared to be break in the official line when BBC journalist Jon Donnison tweeted a series of statements he attributed to the Israeli Police Foreign Press Spokesman, Micky Rosenfeld. “Israeli police MickeyRosenfeld tells me men who killed 3 Israeli teens def[initely] lone cell, Hamas affiliated but not operating under leadership1/2.” “Seems to contradict the line from Netanyahu government. 2/2” The journalist then goes on to tweet a further statement from Rosenfeld which, given that Israeli authorities used Hamas’ culpability as a pretext for its crackdown of the West Bank that saw hundreds of Palestinians arrested and several killed, could cast serious doubts on the Israeli government’s justifications. “Israeli police spokes Mickey Rosenfeld also said if kidnapping had been ordered by Hamas leadership, they'd have known about it in advance.”
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Jon Donnison, BBC Correspondent Twitter Feed

The underpinnings of the Israeli justification for its assault are completely gone. Israel has an insurmountable credibility problem at this point. But so does the West, with its baying pro-Israel media and cowed or complicit politicians. Hamas, not even consulted on an earlier ceasefire proposal put together by Israel and Egypt, had submitted its own opening position for a ten-year ceasefire, but it was almost completely ignored by the media and Western governments. Keep ignoring the facts Sammy. You and the other pro Israeli sheep are supporting a tyranny that has now claimed almost 1000 lives for unfounded reasons and Netanyahu's twisted beliefs.

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You say I don't know about history but you sit know about the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.


This sentence doesn't make sense and it's irrelevant.

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Comparing Israel to the Nazis if a great tactic because of Israel origins but it simply doesn't hold up to any real analytical comparison. Of Israel were like the Nazis there wouldn't be any Palestinians right now.


I was comparing the current state of Israel to the Gestapo police state in the early 1930s. Notice I didn't mention anything about a holocaust. If Israel was as powerful, they would exterminate the Palestinians without a doubt. Compare the Israeli government to what you want. The regime is tyrannical, radical, racist, and artificial.
Posted by Burt Reynolds
Monterey, CA
Member since Jul 2008
23880 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:26 am to
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Posted by Message fleaux Why Does This Board Support Israel/Zionism? So why blame Israel and not England?? That's what I dont understand.


First good point you've made. They created a monster. Without British support, the Israelis would've lost the war in the 1948 and would've gone somewhere else better suited for freedom like Canada, the USA, or Argentina. I wish that would've happened. They have no place living in the Middle East surrounded by Muslim nations. I think some of the blame rests on the Brits shoulders but now it is up to Israel to do the right thing. They are the strongest military power in the Middle East. The Palestinians are at their mercy.
Posted by fleaux
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
8741 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:27 am to
Once again, ill go on record saying youre right about everything if you would just admit you are lying when you say you came to all these conclusions after visiting Israel and Palestine for a short time
Posted by Burt Reynolds
Monterey, CA
Member since Jul 2008
23880 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:32 am to
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I'm on a phone so you're not getting links. "I'm going to pretend it's the year 2006 because I'm full of shite."


I'm also on a phone in Rabat, Morocco yet I'm able to provide links somehow. I've only posted with a phone for the past two months.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31159 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:33 am to
the zionists are no better than the radical islamics

that's what a great majority of this board doesn't understand.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 7:34 am
Posted by fleaux
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
8741 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:35 am to
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the zionist are no better than the radical islamics that's what a great majority of this board doesn't understand.


Seen a lotta Zionist terrorist attacks around the world , have ya?
Posted by Burt Reynolds
Monterey, CA
Member since Jul 2008
23880 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:36 am to
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Once again, ill go on record saying youre right about everything if you would just admit you are lying when you say you came to all these conclusions after visiting Israel and Palestine for a short time

I could care less about what you think or believe. This is an anonymous website. I posted verification photos in my last thread to prove I was in Israel and Palestine that you conveniently ignored. I never really supported either side vigorously before my visit but seeing that level of oppression firsthand changed my mind. I was more pro israel because I've met some good Israeli soldiers while backpacking and also listening to American media. Troll on by all means.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 7:39 am
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31159 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:39 am to
Yes, actually I have.

Israel created Hamas as they have admitted. Now they are using Hamas as an excuse to bomb the living hell out of Gaza with a 80% civilian death rate.

That means each Hamas member shot must have had 4 kids tied to him, not sure how they would even run.

If Israel stopped illegally occupying people and if it didn't create Hamas it would not need weapons.
Posted by fleaux
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
8741 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:42 am to
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I posted verification photos in my last thread to prove I was in Israel and Palestine that you conveniently ignored.


Who in the hell ever said they didnt believe you went to Israel and Palestine?? Definitely not me. My god, youre worse than Rex about putting words in people's mouths.....and i dont think you know what the definition of "troll " actually is
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
7701 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:43 am to
But with the lies again trying to prove a point with them.


You as are a racist. Plain and simple. Israel has a right to defend itself. If you don't like that.... then go lead the call for hamas to stop and for the Palestinian people to elect you because you would lay down arms
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56178 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:43 am to
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Isreal created the problem.


How so?
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56178 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:44 am to
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Yes, actually I have.

Israel created Hamas as they have admitted. Now they are using Hamas as an excuse to bomb the living hell out of Gaza with a 80% civilian death rate.

That means each Hamas member shot must have had 4 kids tied to him, not sure how they would even run.

If Israel stopped illegally occupying people and if it didn't create Hamas it would not need weapons.



Wut tha?
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