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re: Why do we need a new healthcare law? Why not repeal only?
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:05 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:05 pm to LSUFanHouston
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The idea of a bunch of nuns and do-gooders helping people is a relic of the past.
I'll give you two guesses as to why that is.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:10 pm to Cosmo
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Again there were plenty of clinics offering cheap or in some cases free no insurance preventive visits.
Where? To say "plenty" is a bit of a joke. There were a few, and those were on a sliding scale.
Hint: it's not the super poor that struggle with healthcare. It's the working low and middle class. the sliding scales those clinics charged, based on income, meant they were still unaffordable for the working poor and low middle class.
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And most chronic conditions can be treated with $4 walmart drugs.
True... but you have to have a prescription... see above problem.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:12 pm to SoulGlo
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I'll give you two guesses as to why that is.
Well, a lot fewer people are joining religious orders. And a lot of churches have gotten away from helping with medical care issues.
That and in the insane costs of malpractice insurance and regulation. Those costs don't care if you are volunteering or getting paid a million a year.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:13 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Where? To say "plenty" is a bit of a joke. There were a few, and those were on a sliding scale
You want free/cheap shite? Might have to do a little work to get it
People have no problem going out of their way for big sales at stores.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:14 pm to Cosmo
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You want free/cheap shite? Might have to do a little work to get it
People have no problem going out of their way for big sales at stores.
I get that and I'm fine with that. Waiting in line 3-4 hours for free/cheap health care is something I think is fine. Waiting months is not.
But to say the system had no problems is being either disingeneous or ignorant.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:14 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I'll give you two guesses as to why that is.
Well, a lot fewer people are joining religious orders. And a lot of churches have gotten away from helping with medical care issues.
That and in the insane costs of malpractice insurance and regulation. Those costs don't care if you are volunteering or getting paid a million a year.
Go deeper. I know you're not used to it… but give it a shot.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:16 pm to SoulGlo
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Go deeper. I know you're not used to it… but give it a shot.
Why don't you tell me? My two reasons are correct. I'll wait your likely ignorant and incorrect answer.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:16 pm to Cosmo
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Again there were plenty of clinics offering cheap or in some cases free no insurance preventive visits. And most chronic conditions can be treated with $4 walmart drugs.
This is incredibly naive.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:19 pm to Zach
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Zach
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Premiums were relatively stable pre Obama
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Then they skyrocketed after Obama
Zach the "Fox News" of trying to pass off opinions as facts.
Here's actual data on the increase of insurance premiums pre-ACA and during ACA which you will probably not read and certainly will not believe because it cause you to admit your opinion is wrong.
Chart on insurance premiums under Bush and Obama
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Costs HAVE gone up under President Obama. However, they have gone up less during his time in office than they did during President Bush’s reign
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despite the fact that the Affordable Care Act is just getting started, the rate of health insurance cost increases has actually dropped since 2009 when Barack Obama was sworn in as president.
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During President Bush’s eight years in office, annual premiums for a family increased from $7,061 to $13,375, an increase of $6,314 or, on average $789.25 per year. Adjusted for inflation, costs went from $9,313.50 to $14,653.21 or $667.46 per year. When President Obama took office in 2009, annual premiums for a family were $13,375 and four years later have risen to $16,351 for an average of $744 per year. Adjusting for inflation, costs started at $14,653.21 for an average increase of only $424.45 per year. No matter how you look at it, the rate of health care cost increases has reversed under President Obama.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:20 pm to LSUFanHouston
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But to say the system had no problems is being either disingeneous or ignorant.
Of course it had problems.
But the old system providing good care to 90% of people is better than what we have now imo.
The underclass is a part of the human condition, it wont go away
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:24 pm to Zach
Another bs unsourced Zach post.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:25 pm to Cosmo
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Cosmo
So you think it's fair for middle class taxpayers to pay a higher % of their incomes in federal tax than the ultra rich of this country?
You must be a member of the richest 1% of Americans or else you are voting against your own economic self interest by wanting ACA replaced by Ryancare.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:25 pm to Cosmo
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But the old system providing good care to 90% of people is better than what we have now imo.
The underclass is a part of the human condition, it wont go away
Agreed. My first response in this thread was that we should not have messed with what worked for the 90 percent. But simply going back to that, without also getting a good solution for the 10 percent, isn't going to work either, which is why just a simple repeal with no additional work is a bad idea.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:29 pm to PygmalionEffect
I dont want ryancare
It was shite
I want repeal no replace
It was shite
I want repeal no replace
Posted on 3/25/17 at 6:05 pm to Cosmo
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:12 am to PygmalionEffect
"No matter how you look at it, the rate of health care cost increases has reversed under President Obama."
You either are a poor unwilling dupe who fell for the libtard propaganda, or you are a dishonest liberal (I repeat myself) pushing the propaganda in an attempt to persuade the uninformed.
You focus on health insurance premium cost and dishonesty substitute it for health care cost!!!!
Health care cost = health insurance premium cost + deductibles + copays + subsidies + Medicare/Medicaid increases!!!!
Add all those cost in to your actual health care costs, Mr. figures don't lie but liars figure!
Obamacare is a welfare system who's cost are designed to be confusing to confuse the people! The premium cost are the visible tip of the iceberg. Only those who try to use their Obama policies experience the semi visible deductibles and copays. But few see the cost of the free-shite welfare part.
Member how the dishonest dimocrats continued to massage (lie, deceive, manipulate) the direct government payouts for Obamacare to under one TRILLION dollars. Actual cost about one and a half trillion dollars.

You either are a poor unwilling dupe who fell for the libtard propaganda, or you are a dishonest liberal (I repeat myself) pushing the propaganda in an attempt to persuade the uninformed.
You focus on health insurance premium cost and dishonesty substitute it for health care cost!!!!
Health care cost = health insurance premium cost + deductibles + copays + subsidies + Medicare/Medicaid increases!!!!
Add all those cost in to your actual health care costs, Mr. figures don't lie but liars figure!
Obamacare is a welfare system who's cost are designed to be confusing to confuse the people! The premium cost are the visible tip of the iceberg. Only those who try to use their Obama policies experience the semi visible deductibles and copays. But few see the cost of the free-shite welfare part.
Member how the dishonest dimocrats continued to massage (lie, deceive, manipulate) the direct government payouts for Obamacare to under one TRILLION dollars. Actual cost about one and a half trillion dollars.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:20 am to Cosmo
Obamacare is a tax.
Government will not relinquish tax money.
It is as simple as that.
Government will not relinquish tax money.
It is as simple as that.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:30 am to Cosmo
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Poor people can go back to using Charity type system.
Nobody was being denied healthcare before Obamacare.
And most Americans were happy with their healthcare.
Any room in that bubble house of yours? Our charity hospitals are anything but. In fact, they often generate the most profits. Look it up.
There were an estimated 16-million people that made what was deemed to be sufficient wages to pay for insurance, but elected to use hospitals for every little issue--hence the mandates. Those cost were being passed down to everyone else. And yes, millions died because they weren't insured.
Healthcare cost were the No. 1 cause of bankruptcy prior to the ACA.
What news source do you read/watch?
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 9:33 am
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:37 am to jeff5891
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Link me to a story about somebody being turned away
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:38 am to Cosmo
Not true.
People were being denied healthcare before Obamacare.
Google it instead of exposing your ignorance.
People were being denied healthcare before Obamacare.
Google it instead of exposing your ignorance.
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