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re: Why do American Christians support Israel?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:06 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:06 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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So then tell me how there was "nothing" and then "something" "popped into existence" and then "blew up" and then "began evolving"
Lots of hypothesis for the origin of life on Earth have been proposed, none of which have anything to do with evolution. The most popular at present is abiogenesis, but it’s a very difficult problem to investigate because of how difficult it is to duplicate the conditions that existed 3.5-4 billion years ago when RNA, proteins and simple life emerged.
But again, evolution is true regardless of where life came from.
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:12 am to Shamoan
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In the history of the world, is there any evidence of kind vs kind evolution?
“Kind” is a meaningless term, it has no significance whatsoever in biology. It’s a completely arbitrary word used only by creationists with a definition that shifts depending on the conversation. It’s just a means of moving the goalposts.
What you should be asking for is direct evidence of speciation, which we have plenty of. What you and other creationists are actually asking for however is whether we’ve ever observed a whale giving birth to an elephant, which of course doesn’t happen and would refute all we know about evolution. It’s a question rooted in a fundamental misunderstanding of the topic. Creationists understand evolution so poorly they don’t even know what questions to ask.
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Todd Friel? Really?!
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:16 am to Shamoan
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A man of science, like myself. Biochem, organic, gen chem, Guyton physiology (almost killed me), pharmacology...I’ve done them all. The more I learn about the human body’s perfect design, the more convinced I am that there is a creator. The ratcheting of actin and myosin, the cellular function in creation of functional proteins from amino acids...it’s intricate and beautiful design is all there.
There’s a big difference between getting a C in biochemistry and actually understanding anything you were taught.
You should have paid attention when you were taught how inefficient and prone to error mammalian bodies and physiology are.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 2:17 am
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:17 am to Roger Klarvin
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how difficult it is to duplicate the conditions that existed 3.5-4 billion years ago when RNA, proteins and simple life emerged.
really? How did they "emerge"?
they just emerged?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:18 am to dclt145
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Why would God's chosen people be those who reject Jesus Christ and hate on those who believe in Jesus?
Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servantfn Jesus, whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.
14 But you denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you,
15 and you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.
16 And his name—by faith in his name—has made this man strong whom you see and know, and the faith that is through Jesus has given the man this perfect health in the presence of you all.
17 ¶ “And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did also your rulers.
18 But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ would suffer, he thus fulfilled.
19 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,
20 that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus,
21 whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:18 am to Roger Klarvin
Roger Klarvin! Here to tell us what "emerged" billions of years ago!
Because he knows and shite!
Because he knows and shite!
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:20 am to Revelator
again, you butchering scripture
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:27 am to Roger Klarvin
funny, those evolutionary scholars knew exactly what he referred to and were unable to produce evidence, as are you. We can semantics this to death, but they knew what he asked and still were unable to produce the slightest bit of evidence. Perhaps, after looking ignorant for the majority of their interviews, they formulated something reasonable, that was then later edited out...seems unlikely given their initial response...or maybe he just goaded them into cringy responses. Those guys really could have used you as a wingman on those interviews.
Todd Friel is just the host. Did u even watch the whole clip?
Todd Friel is just the host. Did u even watch the whole clip?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:30 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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How did they "emerge"?
That’s a great question, and one that really smart people continue to look into. If you’re interested, here’s some history on and evidence for the hypothesis of abiogenesis.
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they just emerged?
We’ve spontaneously generated nucleotides and amino acids in the lab by running a current through solution containing only methane, hydrogen, water and ammonia. So it’s demonstrably possible for the biological precursors to RNA and proteins (and thus life) to spontaneously arise from compounds we know existed prior to life’s emergence on our planet. Now did it actually happen that way? We don’t know that yet, but it’s false to say such an event cannot occur.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 2:31 am
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:33 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Because he knows and shite!
The beauty of intellectual freedom and the scientific method is “I don’t know” is always an acceptable answer.
“I don’t know, but we should look into that” is far better than making up a superstitious answer to unanswered questions. Especially given the whole of human history shows we ONLY move away from supernatural explanations to natural ones. It has never once worked the other way.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:33 am to Roger Klarvin
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We’ve spontaneously generated nucleotides and amino acids in the lab by running a current through solution containing only methane, hydrogen, water and ammonia. So it’s demonstrably possible for the biological precursors to RNA and proteins (and thus life) to spontaneously arise from compounds we know existed prior to life’s emergence on our planet.
horse shite
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:38 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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again, you butchering scripture
Instead of just saying I’m butchering scripture, defend your position.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:38 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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horse shite
The first such experiments were the Miller-Urey experiments, but these came with a lot of flaws. Far more sophisticated and well tuned experiments have redemonstrated their findings in the decades since however.
Feel free to read up on them if you’re interested
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LINK
Again, this ain’t to suggest this is how it happened. Only that spontaneous generation of the precursors to life is possible.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:41 am to Roger Klarvin
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The first such experiments were the Miller-Urey experiments, but these came with a lot of flaws
of course
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Again, this ain’t to suggest this is how it happened
of course
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:42 am to Revelator
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Instead of just saying I’m butchering scripture, defend your position.
already have, with Galatians
you're corrupt
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:44 am to Roger Klarvin
It’s sad you let some self-serving, self-aggrandizing pseudo-intellectuals and words in a stack of books pry your faith from you. If that’s all it took, it’s clear you were never rooted in Christ, unless he has other plans for you (which I obviously hope he does). That genuinely saddens me. Academia is wrought with snakes and I’ve seen just about every shade in my 9 years of college coursework. I will leave it at this, ultimately, you have to bow/succumb to the unknown (have faith) in mans current understanding (which as you know, changes with the seasons) OR faith that you are designed with a purpose by a creator. You have to have faith in one or the other. I sure as hell am not betting on man’s understanding.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:47 am to Shamoan
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funny, those evolutionary scholars knew exactly what he referred to and were unable to produce evidence, as are you. We can semantics this to death, but they knew what he asked and still were unable to produce the slightest bit of evidence.
The video shows Ray Comfort “interviewing” prominent evolutionary biologists and asking them for examples of one “kind” of animal turning into another “kind” of animal. They attempt to correct his misunderstanding of the topic and try to provide evidence of speciation however he keeps interrupting them saying “it’s still X animal”. Again, it goes to my point about not understanding the topic (and in Comfort’s case, willful dishonesty) on the let of creationists. His question is a meaningless one.
It should also be pointed out that Comfort is notorious for selectively editing his videos and has been successfully sued for doing so. The guy also is infamous for arguing how bananas were perfectly designed in for in the hands of primates, not knowing early primates didn’t have access to bananas and the banana as he knows them are products of human genetic manipulation in the last century. Natural bananas look nothing like that
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Did u even watch the whole clip?
Unfortunately yes, though I realized I’d actually seen it before. I’ve seen most such works, because unlike creationists those of us on this side generally like to understand the things we’re arguing against. Painful as it may be
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:48 am to Harry Rex Vonner
You sure read those links fast
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:50 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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already have, with Galatians
You’ve posted this one scripture and one scripture only as the means to back up your position, and I believe I’ve explained how Jews could also partake of this grace. Jews are humans. Why would they be denied the same grace and salvation offer as us Gentiles ?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:52 am to Shamoan
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It’s sad you let some self-serving, self-aggrandizing pseudo-intellectuals and words in a stack of books pry your faith from you.
Nah, it was merely the totality of objective reality that eventually brought down the house of cards.
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You have to have faith in one or the other.
Another benefit of reality is it doesn’t require faith in anything, other than a basic trust in reproducible realities. If you want to call that faith then go ahead I suppose, but believing in gravity because of repeatable and demonstrable experimentation by others is not the same thing as blind faith in an untestable, unfalsifiable concept of a deity.
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