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re: Why do American Christians support Israel?

Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:03 am to
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:03 am to
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dclt145



amen brother


my new friend
Posted by gothamdawg
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:06 am to
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Palestinians are vile racists. Pretty much all of them.


Pot kettle much?
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:07 am to
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There’s a reason why the term judeo-Christian exists, but Muslim-Christian does not.


For the record, this is a political term that is fairly recent. The term as used today originated in the 1930’s for political reasons, as a way for zionists (or the Jewish people in general) to gain favor with Christians. It’s a term that most Jews and Jewish scholars reject. None of this is controversial or conspiratorial.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 1:09 am
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:08 am to
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Why would God's chosen people be those who reject Jesus Christ and hate on those who believe in Jesus?


Because God ordained it that way and it was fulfillment of scriptures.

The stone rejected by the builders has become the chief cornerstone.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 1:12 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:13 am to
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John 14:6 makes it pretty damn clear. Jesus or Hell, those are your only two options. There is no alternate path or carve out for Jews


I have no dog in this fight, but there must be a "carve out" for Jews who lived prior to Jesus unless you assert every human who ever lived before 33 AD or so is in Hell. The Bible even implies their past obedience will be counted as righteousness.

Now it doesn't really hold, logically speaking, as many things in religion don't. But it's really the only way to get around an otherwise untenable idea.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:13 am to
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Show me in this verse where it says Jews stop being Abraham’s seed simply because Gentiles can be spiritually characterized as such?



wow you're corrupt

this applies to.....people, period

read it again



and btw, we all have Jewish blood in us - to deny that is the height of idiocy
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:15 am to
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Palestinians are vile racists


Most humans who ever lived are/were racists. What we call racism is the social consequence of biologically programmed suspicion of out groups.

Racism, or at least the cognitive processes that lead to what we call racism, is literally programmed into our DNA.
Posted by Shamoan
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:15 am to
If the God of the universe could speak everything that ever existed into existence, building a very complex, multilayered planet earth complete with everything you see as proof, is child’s play. Certainly not out of the realm of possibility for a being that can speak worlds and the cosmos into existence.

My personal view is one of uncertainty regarding creation. I believe the Bible to be the infallible word of God, but I also understand that it was written to bridge a gap from very primitive nomadic people of the early Bible to those of highly intelligent modern minds with great understanding. Is it literal? I don’t know. It’s the word of God meant to span millennia through various levels of advancement and understanding. There are no advanced readers guide...only the lost, and from there, it becomes a matter of faith.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:17 am to
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and btw, we all have Jewish blood in us


It's hard to be THIS wrong about anything. It's actually pretty impressive
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:19 am to
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Galatians doesn’t exclude Jews from also believing



again, your thinking is wholly corrupt


Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:22 am to
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If the God of the universe could speak everything that ever existed into existence, building a very complex, multilayered planet earth complete with everything you see as proof, is child’s play. Certainly not out of the realm of possibility for a being that can speak worlds and the cosmos into existence.


Sure, but there's absolutely no reason whatsoever for me to believe that. The list of things that could be true but probably aren't is nearly infinite.

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My personal view is one of uncertainty regarding creation. I believe the Bible to be the infallible word of God, but I also understand that it was written to bridge a gap from very primitive nomadic people of the early Bible to those of highly intelligent modern minds with great understanding. Is it literal? I don’t know. It’s the word of God meant to span millennia through various levels of advancement and understanding. There are no advanced readers guide...only the lost, and from there, it becomes a matter of faith.


It's strange that an omniscient deity would reveal his eternal plan, and have that plan play out, at a time and place in history where it would be so poorly documented. I suspect it speaks to the same phenomenon that explains why reports of miracles dropped precipitously in the age of social media and smart phones.
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:22 am to
Ezekiel 37: 22
And I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. And one king shall be king over them all, and they shall be no longer two nations, and no longer divided into two kingdoms.
23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols and their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions. But I will save them from all the backslidings in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them; and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
24 ¶ “My servant David shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall walk in my rules and be careful to obey my statutes.
25 They shall dwell in the land that I gave to my servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children’s children shall dwell there forever, and David my servant shall be their prince forever.
26 I will make a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will set them in their land and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in their midst forevermore.
27 My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28 Then the nations will know that I am the LORD who sanctifies Israel, when my sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.”
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 1:33 am
Posted by gothamdawg
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:23 am to
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There’s a reason why the term judeo-Christian exists, but Muslim-Christian does not.

For the record, this is a political term that is fairly recent. The term as used today originated in the 1930’s for political reasons, as a way for zionists (or the Jewish people in general) to gain favor with Christians. It’s a term that most Jews and Jewish scholars reject. None of this is controversial or conspiratorial.


C'mon dude... Hannity uses this term all the time. What you say above can't be true. Can it???
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:23 am to
I post a scripture and you counter with you "encourage diversity of thought"




so you don't like the scripture,... got it
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:24 am to
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again, your thinking is wholly corrupt



This is deflection to avoid addressing the issue
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:25 am to
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I post a scripture and you counter with you "encourage diversity of thought" so you don't like the scripture,... got it


Says the man who won’t address any of the scripture I posted.
Paul writes, we shouldn’t be cocky and arrogant because we got grafted into the olive tree and Israel got cut off, but that’s all you’ve done in your posts.
He says we shouldn’t brag because they were cut off for unbelief, and we too can be cut off. It goes on to say that they can also be grafted back.
You admonish others for not listening to Paul teaching in Galatians, while totally ignoring Paul’s teaching about the Jews in Romans 11.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 1:37 am
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:29 am to
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Nope, but you’ve clearly never seen the inside of an undergrad biology classroom. I’d assume you got your entire understanding from the Discovery Institute, but your understanding of the topic is even below theirs.


Most certainly have


I know that life cannot pop into existence from literally nothing


Charles Darwin was a corrupt piece of shite pathological liar, supported by other corrupt POS pathological liars



Life is eternal. Or in other words, Life is eternal. Get it?
Posted by Shamoan
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:32 am to
That’s a very ethnocentric view for sure. Forget the hundreds of billions of people that have existed before you....after all, YOU need proof!

LINK

Your faith has to lie somewhere my friend. In man’s flawed understand or look elsewhere, but your choice defines the course of your soul into eternity, as does mine.


Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:33 am to




you support mass murderers and you think it's okay


wow
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:34 am to
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I know that life cannot pop into existence from literally nothing


Yet you don't seem to understand that this has literally nothing to do with evolutionary theory.

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Charles Darwin was a corrupt piece of shite pathological liar


The same could be said of most humans who have ever lived depending on your perception, but the nature of Darwin's character is completely irrelevant with respect to the truth of any of his ideas. Biological evolution is the most extensively studied, documented and evidenced concept in the history of the biological sciences. Darwin could have been a serial child murderer and evolution would still be true all the same.
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