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Posted on 5/23/21 at 7:59 am to FooManChoo
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I trust the word of God more than the philosophies of men.
The word of God according to men*
You are trusting something written by men with origins that are difficult to authenticate and later translations that are not always reliable.
You have no business arguing about objective truth when you start with a belief system reliant on anything more than a loose interpretation of the above.
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Man can err.
There you have it.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:01 am to southdowns84
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You are trusting something written by men with origins that are difficult to authenticate and later translations that are not always reliable.
Science and History books are also written by men. Should we discount those as well?
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:01 am to FooManChoo
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If God isn’t an interventionist then He communicated that aspect of His relationship to us very poorly. The Bible is full of examples of God intervening in the affairs of men, causing outcomes that He desires rather than sitting back passively and hoping that we do the right thing.
God doesn’t force us to act against our wills. He uses our own desires to achieve what He wills. God is sovereign, not man.
You’re never going to square this circle.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:01 am to FooManChoo
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This alone shows why the Christian worldview is to be preferred, because it comports to reality.
Why not the Buddhist worldview?
This post was edited on 5/23/21 at 8:02 am
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:02 am to Revelator
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Science and History books are also written by men. Should we discount those as well?
Yes, we should certainly apply scrutiny when needed, absolutely.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:03 am to southdowns84
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Yes, we should certainly apply scrutiny when needed, absolutely.
You didn’t imply that we should use scrutiny to evaluate the Bible, you implied it should be wholly discounted on the fact it was written by men.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:04 am to Esquire
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Why not the Buddhist worldview?
Or the pagan worldview that inspired much of the Bible?
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:12 am to FooManChoo
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therefore I don’t believe in free will. I believe in free volition
This is a distinction without a difference.
There are legitimate arguments against determinism. Compatibilism isn’t one of them.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:16 am to Revelator
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You didn’t imply that we should use scrutiny to evaluate the Bible, you implied it should be wholly discounted on the fact it was written by men.
No, I explicitly said it shouldn’t be used as a basis to contradict objective truth. I didn’t imply ANYTHING about discounting it wholly.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:42 am to southdowns84
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No, I explicitly said it shouldn’t be used as a basis to contradict objective truth. I didn’t imply ANYTHING about discounting it wholly.
“The Bible was written by men. The Bible has been translated and mistranslated numerous times!”
Its the same cut and paste argument for every nonbeliever.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:54 am to Revelator
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The Bible was written by men. The Bible has been translated and mistranslated numerous times!”
Its the same cut and paste argument for every nonbeliever.
I was responding directly to someone who said “men error.” That response supported the point I made.
I also didn’t in ANY way imply that the Bible should be discounted entirely. That’s just a shitty straw man wrapped in a non sequitur.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 9:39 am to Shamoan
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A man of science, like myself. Biochem, organic, gen chem, Guyton physiology (almost killed me), pharmacology...I’ve done them all. The more I learn about the human body’s perfect design, the more convinced I am that there is a creator. The ratcheting of actin and myosin, the cellular function in creation of functional proteins from amino acids...it’s intricate and beautiful design is all there.
I absolutely agree, well said.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 9:51 am to Revelator
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Science and History books are also written by men. Should we discount those as well?
If they can’t be substantiated with empirical data, yes. It’s why creationist “science” textbooks are discounted.
This post was edited on 5/23/21 at 9:58 am
Posted on 5/23/21 at 9:56 am to Revelator
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“The Bible was written by men. The Bible has been translated and mistranslated numerous times!”
Its the same cut and paste argument for every nonbeliever.
Who wrote the Bible, when they wrote it and which translations are correct has very little to with why non-believers are not Christians. Those topics mainly just serve as amusing fodder for pointing out that Christians can’t even agree on how many angels are sitting atop the pinhead.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 9:57 am to Roger Klarvin
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If they can’t be substantiated with empirical data, yes.
Archeological and historical records do back up many Bible stories.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 9:57 am to Roger Klarvin
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Christians can’t even agree on how many angels are sitting atop the pinhead.
Why would anyone even entertain such a silly question
Posted on 5/23/21 at 10:09 am to Revelator
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Archeological and historical records do back up many Bible stories.
And refute many of them as well
Nobody argues that nothing in the Bible is true or actually occurred. No such religious text exists, because such a text would be dismissed immediately by everyone. The claim by Christians is that the Bible is the infallible word of God. This claim comes into dispute when multiple events described in it either clearly did not, or could not have, occurred.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 10:11 am to Revelator
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Why would anyone even entertain such a silly question
Thomas Aquinas, which is where the famous expression originates:
LINK
It’s an expression conveying the trivial and nonsensical nature of a given discussion topic, often used in relation to the silly theological disputes between Christian denominations.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 10:38 am to Roger Klarvin
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The claim by Christians is that the Bible is the infallible word of God. This claim comes into dispute when multiple events described in it either clearly did not, or could not have, occurred.
Roger, I understand how a person can become an unbeliever, I do. What I don’t understand is people like you, who seem to gain some particular joy in leading others into apostasy. Besides the old,” misery loves company” excuse, what motivates you?
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