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re: White House blocks Ambassador to EU from testifying this morning, Schiff 9:30 presser now

Posted on 10/8/19 at 7:58 am to
Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
14947 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 7:58 am to
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Trump should hold a press conference at the exact same time.


I would love to see the Schitts scream bloody murder about the Bad Orange Man obstructing his false narrative presser!

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118854 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 7:59 am to
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Schiff now drafting a subpoena for Sondland to force him to testify later today



No he's not.

He's drafting a strongly worked letter to give the appearance of a subpoena. The letter will have ZERO authority and CAN NOT be enforced by the judiciary.

Don't fall for the Schiff shell game. He is a fricking fraud.
Posted by Oddibe
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 7:59 am to
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Quick question. Why is this in Schiff's committee anyway? Shouldn't it be in Nadler's committee?
Since it is the “intelligence committee” and “national security” is an issue, they will have closed door sessions. I also believe they have excluded Republicans from even being present or asking questions.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118854 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:00 am to
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Put them in jail until they comply.




Under what law? Who will enforce this?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118854 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:02 am to
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I also believe they have excluded Republicans from even being present or asking questions.




They can do this because it's an unofficial impeachment inquiry. No resolution has been passed. It just a dog and pony show. Nothing enforceable by the judiciary.
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7838 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:02 am to
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No he's not.

He's drafting a strongly worked letter to give the appearance of a subpoena. The letter will have ZERO authority and CAN NOT be enforced by the judiciary.

Don't fall for the Schiff shell game. He is a fricking fraud.


I think what he means is that Schiff is going to attempt to serve an actual subpoena without grounds.

Should make for interesting legal precedent.
Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
14947 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:02 am to
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Is this sort of like saying, to some couple you have absolutely no desire to socialize with... "Well, I'd really like for us to go to dinner out with y'all Friday night, but, you see, my wife has already made us other plans."?


Yup, this allows a subordinate official and fact witness to preserve his credibility.

Pompeo can hold his own, and they've already declared war against him anyway.
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17188 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:04 am to
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So wait . . . is this a constitutional crisis or a civil war?

Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
14865 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:04 am to
Ha.

Boot licker
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:04 am to
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Put them in jail until they comply


LOL

No authority to do so
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98884 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:05 am to
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Ha.

Jackboot licker


FIFY
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:05 am to
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Put them in jail until they comply.


A) What jail?
B) Who will do the arresting?
C) What law was broken to enable this jailing?
D) Why are you an idiot?
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 8:06 am
Posted by Oddibe
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Member since Sep 2015
6567 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:05 am to
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They can do this because it's an unofficial impeachment inquiry. No resolution has been passed. It just a dog and pony show. Nothing enforceable by the judiciary
You understand that and many on this board understand that.......but media will not cover the unofficial aspect....only that the White House is trying to block people from testifying.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118854 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:06 am to
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I think what he means is that Schiff is going to attempt to serve an actual subpoena without grounds.

Should make for interesting legal precedent.


When the executive does not comply the legislative (Schiff) won't seek remedy from the judicial because he knows the judicial branch will see the strongly worded letter written to appear like an official subpoena is bull shite.

He will simply declare MUH Obstruction.
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14916 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:09 am to
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Put them in jail until they comply.

Rashida Tlaib says they are looking for a detention center to house the Trump administration.

Having the same outlook as Tlaib should be of concern to you and your family.
Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
14947 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:09 am to
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They can do this because it's an unofficial impeachment inquiry. No resolution has been passed. It just a dog and pony show. Nothing enforceable by the judiciary.


Didn't you make the post the other day explaining the procedure of the subpoena powers of the committees? Basically a three step process that requires the house to vote to open an inquiry and authorize the committees begin investigation with subpoena powers? May need to bump it.

The House judiciary and intel committees had subpoena authority to explore all things Mueller related. But since Ukraine gate arises independent from that authorization, Intel Committee needs new authorization to explore Ukraine.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118854 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:09 am to
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You understand that and many on this board understand that.......but media will not cover the unofficial aspect....only that the White House is trying to block people from testifying.




For the people that can see through Schiff's shell game, all we can do is call him out so that more people see it. But you are right. A lot of people will be fooled and the media will play along to help fool people.
Posted by MarkFromBuffalo
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:10 am to
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This post was edited on 10/9/19 at 9:12 am
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17188 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:10 am to
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Obstruction of what exactly?
Exactly!

A court enforceable subpoena will have a paper trail demonstrating the validity. Something like a voting record to open an inquiry. The Dims lack this.

I've never met a judge who just goes along like:"Duh, Okey Dokey, trow 'em in da pokey." Of course there probably are some cartoon character Dim appointee/supporters out there behind a Bench somewhere.(9th circus and HI for instance)
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:11 am to
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Can we stop pretending that TD is actually privvy to breaking news on a national or international scale? We all have Twitter. We all have access to these stories as they are published.


Umm... huh?

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