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What Trump portfolio do you miss the most, and why is it Foreign Policy?
Posted on 1/25/22 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 1/25/22 at 3:29 pm
I would say Biden is pretty much fricking up everything he touches, but I actually doubt the man is doing more than 10% of the decision-making.
That being said, inflation, supply chain, taxation, covid, and regulations are all clusterfricks, but it seems to me that the world is completely unraveling under his watch.
Trump blustered and glad-handed world leaders, and the media would have you believe they all laughed at him, but the world was pretty damn peaceful under his watch. Now, we have China dry-humping Taiwan, North Korea is back playing with their chemistry set, and Russia is measuring the curtains in Ukraine.
To me, all the other stuff is something you can fix with better policy. The eggs of these foreign issues don't glue back together, though.
ETA: Election laws may be a close second, but I still believe that can be rolled back if you get the right people back in power. Besides, this is more of a state thing anyway.
That being said, inflation, supply chain, taxation, covid, and regulations are all clusterfricks, but it seems to me that the world is completely unraveling under his watch.
Trump blustered and glad-handed world leaders, and the media would have you believe they all laughed at him, but the world was pretty damn peaceful under his watch. Now, we have China dry-humping Taiwan, North Korea is back playing with their chemistry set, and Russia is measuring the curtains in Ukraine.
To me, all the other stuff is something you can fix with better policy. The eggs of these foreign issues don't glue back together, though.
ETA: Election laws may be a close second, but I still believe that can be rolled back if you get the right people back in power. Besides, this is more of a state thing anyway.
This post was edited on 1/25/22 at 3:33 pm
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Posted on 1/25/22 at 3:32 pm to Ag Zwin
Outside of the Abraham Accords and generally telling China to frick itself on Twitter, Trump's foreign policy was about par for the course for the last half-century. Not as bad as Biden's, obviously, but still shortsighted, stuck in the 1970's, and generally mediocre.
ETA: Since I alone hold this opinion, I'll list the things I missed and were pointed out in replies that were good from Trump's foreign policy: USMCA, killing Solemani,
ETA 2: I'll also remove " generally terrible" from the OP, as I agree that when compared to other recent POTUS', Trump was overall better. Restated to be "generally mediocre".
ETA: Since I alone hold this opinion, I'll list the things I missed and were pointed out in replies that were good from Trump's foreign policy: USMCA, killing Solemani,
ETA 2: I'll also remove " generally terrible" from the OP, as I agree that when compared to other recent POTUS', Trump was overall better. Restated to be "generally mediocre".
This post was edited on 1/25/22 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 1/25/22 at 3:47 pm to Indefatigable
Bless your heart.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 3:48 pm to Jjdoc
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Bless your heart.
Outside of the Abraham Accords and China, what are you heralding as the Trump administrations great foreign policy accomplishments?
Posted on 1/25/22 at 3:58 pm to Indefatigable
quote:What about NoKo/SoKo? USMCA? Israeli-Sunni Alliance? I get that Trump isn't everyone's cup of tea. But to criticize the outcomes of his foreign policy exploits as terrible is just disingenuous.
generally terrible.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:00 pm to Indefatigable
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Outside of the Abraham Accords and China, what are you heralding as the Trump administrations great foreign policy accomplishments?
Trump couldn't even get someone fired in Ukraine.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:01 pm to Indefatigable
NK was mostly quiet on his watch, right?
Russia didn't make a move on Ukraine.
ISIS defeated in Syria.
Iranian general taken out was a good thing. Minimal pushback from Iran and Middle East.
Raised the profile of NATO members not contributing.
These are all things that I believe (can't prove a negative) wouldn't have happened without him.
Russia didn't make a move on Ukraine.
ISIS defeated in Syria.
Iranian general taken out was a good thing. Minimal pushback from Iran and Middle East.
Raised the profile of NATO members not contributing.
These are all things that I believe (can't prove a negative) wouldn't have happened without him.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:02 pm to WildManGoose
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Israeli-Sunni Alliance?
I listed this. It is the Abraham Accords, and it absolutely a great accomplishment.
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What about NoKo/SoKo?
What about it? Has the situation changed since the 1950's and I remained unaware?
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USMCA?
Meh, repackaged NAFTA and not anything too exciting or "America First", but I will admit that I did not think of it. So we can add that to the list.
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But to criticize the outcomes of his foreign policy exploits as terrible is just disingenuous.
You didn't really list anything outside of the USMCA that would refute my position... Also, in my defense, and Trump's, I don't think Trump himself was the issue most of the time. Our State and Defense Departments are entities unto themselves at this point and neither one gets anything it does right.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:02 pm to Indefatigable
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Outside of the Abraham Accords and China, what are you heralding as the Trump administrations great foreign policy accomplishments?
Foreign policy is one of those areas where I fully believe that the most effective and far-reaching work is done out of the limelight, and results are the primary metric.
Again, I say the world was pretty damn peaceful, aside from some Middle East slapfights that are fairly regionalized.
What data do you have that says otherwise?
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:05 pm to RonLaFlamme
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NK was mostly quiet on his watch, right?
They have been mostly quiet for a long time. I don't care whether they test missiles or not, frankly. They are never going to do anything with them.
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Russia didn't make a move on Ukraine.
I agree that Trump's mere presence would have an impact on the current situation, but I am not sure this one counts as something he accomplished.
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ISIS defeated in Syria.
False. And to the extent the Syrian civil war has wound down, Russia and Turkey had WAY more to do with that than we did. I also opposed Trump's bombing of the Assad forces in Syria back in 18 (or 19?)
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Iranian general taken out was a good thing. Minimal pushback from Iran and Middle East.
That is a good one.
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Raised the profile of NATO members not contributing.
Meh. Every POTUS has screeched on that. Though if all members actually reach 2% by their self-imposed deadlines, we can call that a win for Trump.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:06 pm to Ag Zwin
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What data do you have that says otherwise?
You said it yourself. Foreign policy is subjective. There is no data one way or another
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:13 pm to Indefatigable
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You said it yourself. Foreign policy is subjective. There is no data one way or another
That's not what I said at all. Just the opposite, in fact.
This post was edited on 1/25/22 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:16 pm to Indefatigable
Literally everything you said was contradictory or incorrect.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:16 pm to Indefatigable
quote:No, it is not.
I listed this. It is the Abraham Accords,
quote:He didn't reunite Korea in democracy so it doesn't matter?
What about it? Has the situation changed since the 1950's and I remained unaware?
It was the first time a NoKo leader has entered the South since 1953. So yeah, something's changed since the 50s. That's a big deal. You have an absurdly high standard for notoriety. I feel like we could land a person on Mars and your repsonse would be, "NBD, they just came back anyway with nothing to show for it. A rover could have taken those photos."
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:17 pm to Ag Zwin
Yea I misread your post, and saw "metric" as "rhetoric". My bad.
What "data" exists?
What "data" exists?
This post was edited on 1/25/22 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:20 pm to Indefatigable
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Outside of the Abraham Accords and generally telling China to frick itself on Twitter, Trump's foreign policy was about par for the course for the last half-century.
Good god you’re lowering the IQ of this board. Let’s compare Barry vs Trump’s tenures shall we?
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:20 pm to WildManGoose
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No, it is not.
Yes, it is. How is it not?
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It was the first time a NoKo leader has entered the South since 1953
I mean he took steps across a concrete curb.
We can call it significant symbolism, but it is still just that...a symbol that really means nothing. Now if the meetings with Kim would have actually produced anything tangible---that would be a resounding W. quote:
You have an absurdly high standard for notoriety.
Not really. I just place very little value on rhetoric, symbols, or anything that doesn't result in concrete actions/proof of result.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:21 pm to idlewatcher
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Let’s compare Barry vs Trump’s tenures shall we?
Why would we? Obama was a horrible POTUS, including in foreign policy. That doesn't mean that Trump's foreign policy was great. It isn't about comparing Trump with a POTUS who did an even worse job. American foreign policy has been mostly awful for a long time.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 5:31 pm to Indefatigable
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You said it yourself. Foreign policy is subjective.
That is not what he said at all. Why are all anti-Trumpers so fricking retarded?
Posted on 1/25/22 at 5:34 pm to TDsngumbo
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That is not what he said at all
I know broseph. Keep reading I acknowledged it. I misread his post.
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Why are all anti-Trumpers so fricking retarded?
I voted for Donald Trump twice, and will vote for him again in 2024 if he’s the nominee.
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