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re: What most of you already know about the vaccine.

Posted on 8/19/21 at 10:13 am to
Posted by yallallcrazy
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/19/21 at 10:13 am to
Going to jump in on this.

Do you think that this shot, which uses your own cellular machinery to create a viral spike protein, is more unsafe than a virus that uses the same cellular machinery to make the same viral spike protein?

Either answer can be correct for an individual person, but they should be prepared to back it up.

That is actually the only question that is relevant. Everything else is noise.
Posted by musick
the internet
Member since Dec 2008
26131 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 10:16 am to
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But the “vaccine” does not prevent you from getting COVID, and it does not prevent you from spreading it to others.

Flu shot

it's not some OMG NEW THING
Posted by MuleSkinner
Poverty Hollow
Member since Oct 2020
29 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 10:25 am to
define developed? Haven't they for years been trying to get that sort of technology "FDA" approved? Had Moderna up to this point had anything in it's history approved? Could you update us on how the trials are going for this?

Anyone have the numbers on Big Pharma's money made vs paid out in lawsuits? Guess which side always wins?
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87391 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 10:25 am to
quote:

Do you think that this shot, which uses your own cellular machinery to create a viral spike protein, is more unsafe than a virus that uses the same cellular machinery to make the same viral spike protein?
Needs a sticky.
Posted by MMauler
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Member since Jun 2013
24474 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 10:34 am to
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Do I have any legal retribution if I am hurt by the ‘vaccine’?



You will not get an answer to this. And that, gives you your answer.

You can also ask him whar are the long-term side effects of these gene therapy drugs. They will not answer because they CANNOT answer or they'll lie through their f*cking teeth because they don’t have the first f*cking clue
Posted by MMauler
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Member since Jun 2013
24474 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 10:38 am to
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Now, to turn the tables— can you tell me, in exact terms, why delta is spreading more rapidly than the original?


With any authority? F*ck no. Neither can you.

We don’t even know if it is the Delta variant that’s spreading more rapidly. Most people aren’t even tested because they would have to send off test samples to some remote lab. All you know is what the government and their Komrades who run the social media platforms AND GOOGLE are allowing you to hear and read on the internet.
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6653 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:07 am to
Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) from Sharyl Attkisson. Vaxers will hate it, Anti Vaxers will call it a gotcha. It is information from a study about why vaxed people could be getting sick. LINK
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 11:09 am
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87391 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:11 am to
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You can also ask him whar are the long-term side effects of these gene therapy drugs
There are no gene therapy drugs being discussed.

quote:

They will not answer because they CANNOT answer or they'll lie through their f*cking teeth because they don’t have the first f*cking clue
There really shouldn't be any. There's nothing to suggest there will be.

Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87391 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:13 am to
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All you know is what the government and their Komrades who run the social media platforms AND GOOGLE are allowing you to hear and read on the internet.
Well, he's an M.D., so there's that.
Posted by dstone12
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Member since Jan 2007
40385 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:14 am to
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Do you think that this shot, which uses your own cellular machinery to create a viral spike protein, is more unsafe than a virus that uses the same cellular machinery to make the same viral spike protein?


I survived the virus and don't have to take both risks.

My survival of the virus is a known quantity.
My reaction to the jab is not.
Why risk it?
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
40385 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:16 am to
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Well, he's an M.D., so there's that.

if there is even one M.D. out there that says this shot is unsafe, does this destroy your "M.D. Narrative?"

You brought it up. So there's that.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87391 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:37 am to
quote:

if there is even one M.D. out there that says this shot is unsafe, does this destroy your "M.D. Narrative?"

It's not a narrative. It was a specific response to the statement responded to. Context is important.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:48 am to
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chemotherapy


Literally just a kill shot for all cells in hopes that it gets rid of cancer. How they even came up for that treatment is hilarious.
Posted by yallallcrazy
Member since Oct 2007
834 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:55 pm to
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Neither can you


Actually, I kinda can. While this isn’t certain, here is the theory:


A coronavirus (CoV) infects the target cell by either cytoplasmic or endosomal membrane fusion. No matter what path it chooses, the final step of viral entry involves the release of RNA into the cytoplasm for replication. Therefore, the fusion capacity of the CoV-S is a leading indicator of infectivity of the corresponding virus. In order to bind a host cell, CoV-S needs to be primed through cleavage at sites on the spike protein via a ‘ molecular scissors ’ called furin that essentially trims a spike protein to get it ready to bind.
More furin cuts mean more spike proteins primed to enter human cells. In SARS-CoV, (original SARS) less than 10% of spike proteins are primed. In SARS-CoV-2, that percentage rises to 50%. In the Alpha variant, it’s more than 50%. In the Delta variant, greater than 75% of spikes are primed to infect a human cell. So, more viruses enter and replicate. That’s why in delta the viral loads are much higher. The increase in efficiency of furin cuts is thought to be via the P681R mutation, as that is a hallmark of the Delta strain. It vastly increases efficiency of furin cuts.

I didn’t learn this on youtube. So, no sweet video. Sorry.

But hey, bIG pHaRmA ???? $$, right??
Posted by prattalumni
Member since Sep 2012
927 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:00 pm to
Lot of branch covidians in here. Just got over the china flu and I simply don't need the shot nor do I need anyone telling me that I'm killing someone's grandma if I don't. Also, what's the point of getting the jab when it seems like high numbers of people are getting the variants even after getting said "vaccination"? This whole covid shite just gets shadier by the day.
Posted by yallallcrazy
Member since Oct 2007
834 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:11 pm to
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I survived the virus and don’t have to take both risks

Fair statement.

Not the same as saying the vaccine sucks or that no one should take it or that it doesn’t work or whatever else.

And, the statement also needs to be qualified. It is not yet clear that the immunity from having it is durable. Please note that I did not say that the immunity form the shot is.
Coronaviruses have typically not conferred long term immunity. Maybe this one will, but antibody levels decline for sure. The antibody levels of recovered sick fell in the range above 1 shot mRNA recipients and below 2 shot recipients. The real winners were recovered sick plus 1 shot. They had vastly higher titers than anyone. For me, if I’d had it and based on current info, I’d wait 9-12 months and get one shot and stop

For someone who has not had it, the question remains.:
Do I want my cellular machinery to make one protein from the virus, or do I want my cellular machinery to make ALL the proteins of the virus - including the one above- in vastly larger numbers. Which seems safer? Again, that’s the only question.

BTW, I’m not saying there isn’t an argument. But, to me, it has to address this specific question.
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