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re: What is your personal definition of "globalism" ?

Posted on 9/27/26 at 3:27 pm to
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 3:27 pm to
This lunatic seems to think we have the right to intervene in any country that doesn't have a democratically elected leader. This is insane because who decides when we can intervene? The State Department? The CIA? And, like I said, if Biden stole 2020 -- does that mean we are not a sovereign nation and China could kidnap him? Do we have the right to abduct or overthrow Putin if he was installed?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 3:36 pm to
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I would say that yes, we did attack Venezuela's sovereignty


I'll give you even more rope.

Could you attack a nation's sovereignty if the majority of the nation wanted it done?

quote:

This lunatic seems to think we have the right to intervene in any country that doesn't have a democratically elected leader.


Nope.

I just asked how could removing an unelected leader be an attack on a nation's sovereignty.

You and SFPLC need to stop dick jousting and pay attention.
This post was edited on 9/27/26 at 3:43 pm
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 3:51 pm to
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does that mean we are not a sovereign nation and China could kidnap him?


What if 90-95% of Americans wanted China to do it?
This post was edited on 9/27/26 at 3:51 pm
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 3:55 pm to
It's a good question and a dangerous one. There is an argument half of our population would have welcomed that.

I feel like people have been fooled by the protests in Iran and think they represent 90% of the population, therefore our bombing is justified. But, what if only 5-10% of the population support the protestors? The bottom line is I don't think we should be making that call ever. There is no way you would trust an Obama CIA or State Dept on these things.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 3:57 pm to
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I'll give you even more rope.

Could you attack a nation's sovereignty if the majority of the nation wanted it done?

You can have your rope back. I answered a question you said wasn't answered.

If you think you can play word games by making an external force somehow a domestic force, you are flawed.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 3:58 pm to
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What if 90-95% of Americans wanted China to do it?

Matters not
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:04 pm to
~92% of Venezuelans wanted Maduros gone.

Seems like the nation of Venezuela lacked power over itself (sovereignty) since Maduro stole the election.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:05 pm to
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Matters not


Why not?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
70858 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:05 pm to
Yet we still have a bunch of hardline Chavistas ruling the country with a gun to their head. Weird.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:06 pm to
Because we don't have some inherent right to determine every country's internal workings.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28992 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:06 pm to
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Yet we still have a bunch of hardline Chavistas ruling the country with a gun to their head. Weird.


So 92% of Venezuelans didn't want Maudro gone?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28992 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:07 pm to
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Because we don't have some inherent right to determine every country's internal workings.


Sure.

But does Venezuela have an inherent right to their own country's internal workings?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
483918 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:11 pm to
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But does Venezuela have an inherent right to their own country's internal workings?

Sounds like you're justifying the Iranian revolution rejecting globalist control in 1979, but trying to do it within the context of the globalist-led coup eroding Iran's sovereignty in 1953
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
70858 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:13 pm to
By his logic, we can take a poll of every country and if the people don't support their leadership at a certain threshold, that justifies U.S. intervention.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:14 pm to
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Yet we still have a bunch of hardline Chavistas ruling the country with a gun to their head. Weird.



Hold on you are for regime change now?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28992 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:15 pm to
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Sounds like you're justifying the Iranian revolution rejecting globalist control in 1979, but trying to do it within the context of the globalist-led coup eroding Iran's sovereignty in 1953


I'm just saying framing the removal of a leader of a nation which 92% of its citizens want gone as an attack on their sovereignty is main stream media levels of dishonesty.

This is exactly why you've been very cautious with how you try and disagree with me.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
70858 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:16 pm to
I give credit to the administration for not trying to install the globalist puppet lady. BUT, it kind of shows that we don't care if we country is run by tyrants. We just want those tyrants to be allied with us.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
483918 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:16 pm to
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This is exactly why you've been very cautious with how you try and disagree with me.

You lost that discussion and then raged.

I didn't need caution. Being right from the outset was all I needed.

You're now pivoting from fake elections to popular support. I'm curious to see what the next pivot will be.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28992 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:16 pm to
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By his logic, we can take a poll of every country and if the people don't support their leadership at a certain threshold, that justifies U.S. intervention.


Nope.

My stance is only doing so shouldn't be labeled as "attack on their sovereignty" (your limp wristed take on the matter).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
483918 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:18 pm to
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My stance is only doing so shouldn't be labeled as "attack on their sovereignty"

What is the direct relationship between opinion polls of a state's population and the sovereignty of that state, as a general concept?
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