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re: What is CISA And Why Should We Care?

Posted on 12/30/22 at 12:17 pm to
Posted by AUstar
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 12:17 pm to
CISA will bow down and take orders from NSA which means they aren't going to secure anything, but make it more exploitable.

Did we forget about the Snowden documents already?

Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 12:45 pm to
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Did we forget about the Snowden documents already?



Some have.

I’m sure SloMo will tell us that any discussion of the fundamentally corrupted nature of our nation’s alphabet intelligence agencies are “irrelevant” to the current discussion. This ignores the reality that the primary purpose of this vast intelligence apparatus is unquestionably to control, not protect, American citizens.

Again, I am not sure if SloMo is being disingenuous and willfully ignoring this reality or if he is legitimately retarded. After his half-@ssed showing in this thread, I’m slowly coming to the conclusion that SloMo is a disingenuous retard!



This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 12:58 pm to
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I’m sure SloMo will tell us that any discussion of the fundamentally corrupted nature of our nation’s alphabet intelligence agencies are “irrelevant” to the current discussion.

No. Nice combination of a Strawman AND diversion, though.

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After his half-@ssed showing in this thread, I’m slowly coming to the conclusion that SloMo is a disingenuous retard!

You obviously haven't read my last post in this thread.

I can't wait for you to move the goalposts in response.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 1:16 pm to
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You obviously haven't read my last post in this thread.




Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 1:24 pm to
No crawfishing. You're avoiding looking like the idiot you are. I'll re-post since you avoided it once already:

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Do you actually think simply highlighting the word “Infrastructure” in bold demonstrates that this bill granted CISA — an agency ostensibly created to protect cybersecurity — the authority to lock down major sectors of the economy in the event of a pandemic?


Where did I say that they had that authority? They don't.

Tell me where they exercised that authority.


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What type of lawyer are you?


One who can read. A skill you apparently lack.

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There is nothing in the bill that remotely comes close to granting CISA the power it has acquired.


What specific powers are you referencing?

All CISA did was issue recommendations. It didn't order anything.

I already quoted this, but I'll quote it again:

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Further: “This guidance is not binding and is primarily a decision support construct to assist state and local officials. It should not be confused as official executive action by the United States Government.”


Do I need to break it down even more simply for you to finally comprehend this basic concept?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 1:25 pm to
I'll put this in another way:

Do you think that CISA ordered other agencies (federal or state) to do the things referenced in your OP?

You do understand that CISA is mandated to issue guidance on infrastructure issues, right?

*ETA: do I need to explain to you the difference in guidance and command? Do I need to break it down that simply for you?
This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 1:26 pm
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 2:39 pm to

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 2:44 pm to
You are actively avoiding questions:


What authority do you think CISA used?

Where did I say that they had that authority? They don't.

Tell me where they exercised that authority.

What specific powers are you referencing?

All CISA did was issue recommendations. It didn't order anything.

I already quoted this, but I'll quote it again:

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Further: “This guidance is not binding and is primarily a decision support construct to assist state and local officials. It should not be confused as official executive action by the United States Government.”


Do you think that CISA ordered other agencies (federal or state) to do the things referenced in your OP?

You do understand that CISA is mandated to issue guidance on infrastructure issues, right?

*ETA: do I need to explain to you the difference in guidance and command? Do I need to break it down that simply for you?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 2:56 pm to
Bump
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 2:58 pm to
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You won't be popular here. CISA 2018 was signed into law by Trump


Yep. And it was one of his errors. I liked my portfolio when he was in charge, though.
Posted by PUB
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:04 pm to
The guy got played big time. Had corrupt swamp rats all around him and he didn’t even know it …
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:30 pm to
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You are actively avoiding questions:


All my work here is done and shown above in my first reply to you: this entire narrative about determining “essential workers” during the pandemic originated with CISA’s directives on determining a hierarchy of critical infrastructure. Yet there was nothing in the original bill that gave CISA oversight in such an eventuality: Drop Mic, End Of Story.

You now are doing the very thing you accuse me of doing: moving the goalposts into a discussion over CISA’s benign “recommendations.” This is the same tactic Fauci used when he said he said only made “recommendations” when in fact these “recommendations” were adopted into official policies by our nation’s public health industrial complex.

It is no surprise and indeed utterly predictable that you are simply regurgitating Fauci’s arguments on this matter — and again, doing exactly what you accuse me of doing! To further engage your dissembling on this matter — or any matter as far as that goes — is an exercise in complete futility:


This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 3:39 pm
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:33 pm to
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Bump


By all means, keep replying: it tickles me to no end to see this thread returned to the top of the page!



BTW… Here Is An Oldie But Goodie Of Your Autistic Clown Act!

This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 3:34 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:38 pm to
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All my work here is done and shown above in my first reply to you


But it's not.

This was your reply:

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You direct me to the specific language in the bill — ostensibly passed to protect against cybersecurity terror threats — which enables CISA to declare a state of de facto martial law over the entire economy because of a supposed naturally occurring biological contagion?


Nothing gives it that power BUT it never had/used that power. That's why I asked you specific questions.

You seem VERY confused as to what actually happened and what CISA actually did.

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: this entire narrative about determining “essential workers” during the pandemic originated with CISA’s directives

What directives?

They issued guidance, not a directive. They specifically stated it wasn't a federal edict:

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“This guidance is not binding and is primarily a decision support construct to assist state and local officials. It should not be confused as official executive action by the United States Government.”


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You now are doing the very thing you accuse me of doing: moving the goalposts into a discussion over CISA’s benign “recommendations.”

Because that's all that happened.

Your fantasy allegations are not reality.

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This is the same tactic Fauci used when he said he said only made “recommendations” when in fact these “recommendations” were adopted into official policies by our nation’s public health industrial complex.

What specific actions did CISA take to mandate anything?

Posted by VolcanicTiger
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:40 pm to
Trump is Eighties Man. In the 80's we could believe in the US government as a step away from a benevolent dictator - a force for good in the world, populated by people who had the country's best interests at heart and by people who would get rid of those that didn't. Trump is a bit behind (although in some ways a bit ahead of) the rest of us who know how deep the swamp really goes. I think Trump naively believed in the good of the US government, with the corruption few and far between, and concentrated mostly at the bouncers at the door. Trump knew you had to pay for access, but he thought the corruption inside was a few people looking for self-enrichment, not a gigantic Satanic orgy, and I still don't think he sees it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:42 pm to
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By all means, keep replying: it tickles me to no end to see this thread returned to the top of the page!


I will continue to make you look like the idiot you are as much as you permit.

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This clown operates under the impression that his very subjective interpretation of what words or phrases mean — such as “Globalism” being a meaningless term — has some comport with objective reality. It does not.

Again, you're an idiot

I ask for definitions of concepts like "globalism" to specifically remove as much subjectivity from malleable terms, to prevent people like you from moving goalposts during arguments because you lack the intellectual capability to do anything other than copy and paste articles you don't understand, without the intelligence to even understand why you are wrong.

This thread is a perfect example.

You are arguing CISA has authority it does not, and acted in a way that it did not, and you refuse any sort of defense of your allegations even when broken down for a child to comprehend.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:42 pm to
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, but he thought the corruption inside was a few people looking for self-enrichment, not a gigantic Satanic orgy

NOW it's officially a party
Posted by VolcanicTiger
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:43 pm to
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NOW it's officially a party

Since 1828.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:58 pm to
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You seem VERY confused as to what actually happened and what CISA actually did.





The only confusion in this thread originates from your apparent belief that your continual dissembling on this matter means you are making substantive arguments.

Case in point: you are playing semantics while ignoring the reality that CISA’s “guidance” became the de facto standing policy of the nation’s entire public health apparatus when it came to locking down the economy.

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They issued guidance, not a directive.




This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 4:00 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 4:24 pm to
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Case in point: you are playing semantics

THERE IS THE GOALPOST MOVE

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CISA’s “guidance” became the de facto standing policy of the nation’s entire public health apparatus when it came to locking down the economy.


My work here is done.



So you didn't do any research, didn't know what you were talking about, and are now trying to move the goalpost about all this "authority" that CISA had really wasn't authority.



By the way, the law mandates they create these exact reports-guidance, so you clearly didn't read the actual law.

They don't have the authority you were talking about, but they never used any authority.

You even asked where in the law they had this authority, like a fricking dumbass.

I can cite you in the law where they are mandated to create guidance. I already did it in this thread, but at that point you didn't realize how fricking dumb your "argument" was and kept going, and I even predicted you would move the goalposts, which you did.

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