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What does Russia get out of propping up the Assad regime?
Posted on 4/8/17 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 4/8/17 at 5:15 pm
A Mediterranean port? Not much of a port, and it's not like it's adjacent to anything in Russia.
I just don't see how Russia can continue to defend the indefensible. There is no doubt on the part of our intelligence community that Assad did it, and 90% of the world's nations agree.
What does it say about an action when the only governments not condemning it are Syria, Iran and Russia. Has Kim Jong Un chimed in?
I just don't see how Russia can continue to defend the indefensible. There is no doubt on the part of our intelligence community that Assad did it, and 90% of the world's nations agree.
What does it say about an action when the only governments not condemning it are Syria, Iran and Russia. Has Kim Jong Un chimed in?
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Posted on 4/8/17 at 5:16 pm to Slippy
It lets them prick NATO and gives them influence in the Middle East.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 5:17 pm to Slippy
A pipeline from Qatar/Saudi Arabia if Assad is ousted means that's Russia loses money and influence over Europe since Europe gets a lot or most of their natural gas from Russia.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 5:32 pm to Slippy
Well for one thing they have a yuge naval base there.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 5:34 pm to Slippy
Assad doesn't let the pipeline through, which is what Russia depends on, simple really.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 5:35 pm to Slippy
Oil and a strategic base for power projection.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 5:38 pm to Slippy
Europe wouldn't need Russia anymore, which would annihilate Russia's existence.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 5:41 pm to Slippy
Primarily, influence in the region. The conflict in Syria/Iraq is the best-selling show in town right now and there are some chips in play with the regional heavyweights. The GCC powers and Turkey (Western aligned) are anti-Assad, so Russia backing Iran and the Shia is kind of a natural fit. And it's not completely bare-bones. There are some historical ties there.
My views on it are a bit complicated. I'm extremely distrustful of the Sunni powers we call friends (really with the exception of Jordan) and think that [continued] engagement with Iran could pay dividends in the not-too-distant future. Furthermore, I believe, in general, that we're better off with detestable secular leaders than with faith-driven fanatics of any kind. But Assad is a real PoS. He brought most of this on himself.
My views on it are a bit complicated. I'm extremely distrustful of the Sunni powers we call friends (really with the exception of Jordan) and think that [continued] engagement with Iran could pay dividends in the not-too-distant future. Furthermore, I believe, in general, that we're better off with detestable secular leaders than with faith-driven fanatics of any kind. But Assad is a real PoS. He brought most of this on himself.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:00 pm to Slippy
Russia needs warm water ports. Syria provides that.
They have a port and submarine base in Sevastopol on the Crimean peninsula which is why they annexed Crimea. They have a huge underground (inside of a mountain) submarine factory and base there in Sevastopol. The Soviet Union built almost all of their subs there.
They have a port and submarine base in Sevastopol on the Crimean peninsula which is why they annexed Crimea. They have a huge underground (inside of a mountain) submarine factory and base there in Sevastopol. The Soviet Union built almost all of their subs there.
This post was edited on 4/8/17 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:17 pm to Slippy
1) The port of Taurus - a super important military installation
2) Stability in their backyard. The spread of Sunni extremism affects them more than it does us.
3) Economic gains
2) Stability in their backyard. The spread of Sunni extremism affects them more than it does us.
3) Economic gains
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:20 pm to Antonio Moss
I'd expect it somehow helps terrorism for Russia (they have had their issues) but I haven't connected all those dots.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:38 pm to Slippy
An oil pipeline from Iran
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:45 pm to Screech
There is a reason Crimea and eastern Ukraine are predominately Russian. Both were part of Russia for most of their existence. Chruchev gave both of them to Ukraine sometime in the 50s or maybe early 60s.
Frankly, I have no sympathy whatsoever for Ukraine in this matter. After all, it was the Russian dominated Ukrainian government that was duly elected, but overthrown by the current government at the behest of the Bush and Obama administrations.
Frankly, I have no sympathy whatsoever for Ukraine in this matter. After all, it was the Russian dominated Ukrainian government that was duly elected, but overthrown by the current government at the behest of the Bush and Obama administrations.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:48 pm to ShenandoahCanine
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but overthrown by the current government at the behest of the Bush and Obama administrations.
Would like to read. Do you have a link?
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:50 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Those are benefits, but I think you overstate them a bit.
1) The port of Taurus - a super important military installation
2) Stability in their backyard. The spread of Sunni extremism affects them more than it does us.
3) Economic gains
quote:Strategically? I wouldn't call it that. What key Russian interest does it address. I mean we have our 5th Fleet and CMFC (with the Brits, Aussies, Canadians, etc) in Bahrain, and that's considered super important. If we lost it, however, I honestly don't see how our core capabilities would be unacceptably degraded.
1) The port of Taurus - a super important military installation
quote:Russia's Sunni problem is already in the house. I don't think they're worried about the backyard
2) Stability in their backyard. The spread of Sunni extremism affects them more than it does us.
quote:I keep hearing this, like us in Iraq (both wars). I haven't seen those gains realized in any direct sense for them or us in any war in the Middle East.
3) Economic gains
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:53 pm to Navytiger74
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like us in Iraq (both wars). I haven't seen those gains realized in any direct sense for them or us in any war in the Middle East.
Us as a country no...us as business interest oh yes.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:03 pm to Navytiger74
quote:Yes, your views are complicated.
engagement with Iran could pay dividends in the not-too-distant future. Furthermore, I believe, in general, that we're better off with detestable secular leaders than with faith-driven fanatics of any kind
Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:10 pm to goatmilker
Would like to read. Do you have a link?
I'll find one. Amidst all the bombast about it in the Western news media that little nugget was always left out.
I'll find one. Amidst all the bombast about it in the Western news media that little nugget was always left out.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:14 pm to ShenandoahCanine
How cute.
Still nothing?
Still nothing?
This post was edited on 4/8/17 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:59 pm to goatmilker
LINK
Check this one out. From a very lefty brit tabloid, but on this subject it suouldn't matter. I'll try to post more if you like.
Check this one out. From a very lefty brit tabloid, but on this subject it suouldn't matter. I'll try to post more if you like.
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