re: WaPo says white uneducated males will die without globalization

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Globalization is wealth redistribution.

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Yeah. Wealth redistribution based more on merit than your solutions. Do you miss your occupy wall Street rallies?

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And while big money does talk and bull shite generally walks, I think you'd be hard-pressed to tell me Brexit and Trump were not the bottom of labor speaking resoundingly.

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Brexit was about far more than labor. And Trump won fair and square but it wasn't some resounding mandate, although labor was speaking. Of course, we have to ignore that they were speaking when they overwhelmingly supported Obama before Trump.

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Government will have to tweak trade policy to prop up the bottom for the time being

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I disagree. Like anything else, it won't solve the problems, and will likely cause more.

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while waiting and hoping that capitalism, the profit incentive, and technological progress get to the point they are the ones organically employing middle to low class labor.

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Or maybe we need to find new uses for this labor or give them new skills. There are plenty of jobs that see unfilled. Whole not all of them can be filled by this group, I'm sure there are plenty that could be filled with some added skills.

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Has not one thing to do with what I stated.
What? We are talking about costs and prices. Supply and demand is a major part of that.

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No, we are not. You are trying to argue that. It's cost, prices, and income.

Roughly 1 out of 2 people in the US make 30K or less. In fact... it was 51% as of last year that made 30K or less.

You go ask those 51% if they would rather make 35K and pay 1K for an iPhone(every 2 years), $300 for a TV (every 3 years) or less than 30K for and pay 250 less for that phone every 2 years..... 150 less for that TV every 2 years.

The fact is it's a net gain for those people. They still get the product and have more money left over.

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Factually, it doesn't.
Just like you argued costs don't impact price a few months back? Seems like you have been using the occupy wall Street fact sheets.

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That's not what I argued. This is just like your stance on polls during this election(yes I watched). What I argued is that with tax reductions, it's a "wash".

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You go ask those 51% if they would rather make 35K and pay 1K for an iPhone(every 2 years), $300 for a TV (every 3 years) or less than 30K for and pay 250 less for that phone every 2 years..... 150 less for that TV every 2 years.

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Well it appears (from your jjdoc friend) that an iPhone's production costs would at least double here. So I'm sure other products would have similar increases. Even if they only raise prices by half that, 50% increases here and 50% increases there, get quite costly.

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What I argued is that with tax reductions, it's a "wash".

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Well then I'm all about the tax reductions. If that brings jobs back, then I'm on board. I am against things like tarrifs though:

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Do you miss your occupy wall Street rallies?

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Can you not have a conversation without some sort of personal attack that you feel makes some sort of point?

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Wealth redistribution based more on merit than your solutions.

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No it's not. I am a pro american citizen that fully believes that the gov has a responsibility to ALL of it's citizens and none to other nations. I 100% believe our gov is to work for the US citizen, not for the development of 3rd world countries at the expense of 51% of our on citizens.

To say the US has to have either or starts on a flawed assumption.

The Gov created an atmosphere that encouraged manufacturing jobs to leave. They gutted the safety nets in place to punish rogue nations who cheat the US. That's the job of the people we send to DC. It's mandated by the US constitution.

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And Trump won fair and square but it wasn't some resounding mandate,

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1- Landslide. He won in the rust belt which is manufacturing.
2- GOP kept the Senate due to him
3- Gop kept the house due to him
4- Dems are at a pre-civil war level in state legislatures.

It's a massive mandate.

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Of course, we have to ignore that they were speaking when they overwhelmingly supported Obama before Trump.

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OR they tried Obama, and it didn't work out, therefore they wanted to go in the direction Trump was pointing to.

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GOP kept the Senate due to him

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By outperforming him?

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Gop kept the house due to him

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Wasn't a realistic risk. Many ran unopposed or in some instances, ran against more conservative third-party candidates.

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Dems are at a pre-civil war level in state legislatures.

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Which was happening well before this cycle.

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It's a massive mandate.

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You're just putting random GOP related things together as some evidence about Trump.

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OR they tried Obama, and it didn't work out, therefore they wanted to go in the direction Trump was pointing to.

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Or their other option was one of the worst candidates in history. You can't just ignore that Hillary was a terrible candidate and argue beating her in a close election indicates something overwhelmingly positive.

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I'm also on board with revamping US education. Not everyone needs to read Shakespeare. There are plenty a plumber and carpenter that enjoy a great quality of life and we should find those students and give them the skills they need to pursue those blue collar service jobs.

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This goes back to what I was saying earlier. Thanks for bringing me back around to that. We preached manufacturing jobs and the need for workers in those fields. At the same time, the gov moved to take those jobs over seas.

We can not leave those people behind. It's crazy to even be were we are today. 51% making less than 30K!!!! come on!


It also brings me back to the cost of good and it cost it has to the US workers. As Buckeye stated incorrectly, the issue just isn't the cost of the goods. He's willing to pay less for a product at the cost of jobs to millions of people who end up in the welfare system. Who pays for those people?

He's short sighted and can't see the whole picture.

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By outperforming him?

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Wasn't a realistic risk. Many ran unopposed or in some instances, ran against more conservative third-party candidates.

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And didn't reach the goals they (DNC) set.

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Which was happening well before this cycle.

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And continued in this cycle that included a State level win in Oregon. Something that had not happened in 14 years!

That's a mandate. When the nation runs FROM the Dem platform to the GOP(not the GOPE)... it's a mandate.

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Or their other option was one of the worst candidates in history. You can't just ignore that Hillary was a terrible candidate and argue beating her in a close election indicates something overwhelmingly positive.

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It wasn't close. I believe Trump had 303 EVs. That's not close.