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Voting errors / election integrity

Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:47 pm
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11048 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:47 pm
I saw a video at the Our Country Our Choice youtube channel the other night, and the first part addressed election integrity.

BLUF: 'Selected not elected' might be more accurate than we thought. Our election integrity is probably worse off than many of us thought, with error rates that are disturbing. Based on percentages being reported, we may not have anything close to a true representation of the People. When you ask, "how'd this person get elected?", it's not just rhetorical. As usual the courts have failed to assist in rectifying this problem.



One of the guests was Marly Hornik, her organization looks at election integrity, unite4freedom.com

- She mentions Art1 Sec2 in that the People (meaning citizens) are to choose their representatives and says that this is not happening.
- Her organization has found error rates ranging from 12% to 27%, and I believe this was all from the 2022 midterms. Errors meaning improper ballots, people that can't be traced or tracked down, etc.
- Constitutional mandate in Art1 Sec2 (Members chosen by the People) yet elections are getting certified with profound amounts of error. So there's no regard for accuracy.
- Many elections are decided by very small margins so no one truly knows who is winning many of these elections.
- She said that "millions of votes don't look like they're from real people".
- Said the databases that contain all the voting information are related to national security and civil rights - so they're a big deal. She says that election integrity must be proven, not assumed or presumed. We have a right to choose our Members of Congress, and this is explicitly stated in the Constitution. She quotes Marbury v Madison in that a right without a remedy is not a right, or is not being treated as one. Thus, there must be proof that the People are truly selecting office holders which cannot be done with so many errors.
- Said they often see more votes than voters.
- Other guest, Judge Napolitano, said the courts put the burden on the voter/plaintiff to show that the wrong person got elected and that without that showing, they won't let cases proceed. This is usually an impossible burden due to lack of transparency.
- Marly counters with a SCOTUS case that stated the 'evil intent of an election worker is demonstrated when he violates the law'.
- Another guest brought up the fact that in Arizona, they don't follow their own laws. (my comment: remember that the current governor was the Secretary of State and ran the 2020 presidential election, then ran the election in which she was elected governor)
- Marly says that given the data, if the same voting systems are in place for 2024, it will constitute irreparable harm to the People.
- Napolitano pointed out how the courts look at these things, but their outlook is erroneous. They want you to show the wrong candidate was elected, yet there is a lack of transparency out there to demonstrate that, and courts want you to show harm/injury and are ignoring the obvious harm from losing confidence in the system, the failure to uphold the mandate of the Constitution, and to comply with laws like the Help America Vote Act which stipulates error rates cannot exceed something around 0.008%.
- Summary: this is bad and it's going to take massive numbers of the population to demand action from Congress, the Courts, and to elect new people to implement change and overcome errors.
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3139 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:49 pm to
Anything but 100% verifiable paper ballots is unacceptable, and not to be trusted.

Edit: and requiring strict voter ID with state license and verification of citizenship.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 7:51 pm
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11048 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:51 pm to
quote:

Anything but 100% verifiable paper ballots is unacceptable, and not to be trusted.

Agreed.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67787 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:54 pm to

Basically our election system is not secure enough to comfortably assure the public that the Constitutional principle of 'one man, one vote' is in play.

If our elections are not auditable or transparent then they are not credible.

And if the election system isn't credible then we can't say that our government is credible.

Posted by Skippy1013
Lafayette, La
Member since Oct 2017
512 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:59 pm to
We have Blockchain technology used by our financial institutions that validate everything, but it’s not used for election tabulations.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11048 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:12 pm to
quote:

We have Blockchain technology used by our financial institutions that validate everything, but it’s not used for election tabulations.

It's pretty obvious that those in power don't want election integrity. They will insure the right judges are put in place as well.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63260 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:18 pm to
Every single American should want transparent and secure elections, so it’s very telling when you have certain politicians and others taking action to prevent that from happening.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19448 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:28 pm to
quote:

Anything but 100% verifiable paper ballots is unacceptable, and not to be trusted.

Edit: and requiring strict voter ID with state license and verification of citizenship.


And those ballots need to have the level of security of a $100 bill.
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
6156 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:38 pm to
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and to elect new people to implement change and overcome errors.


Well there’s the rub innit?

It’s going to take something harsher than elections, since the elections are rigged, to reset this mess. And Hillary’s fbi knows as much
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11048 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 3:42 am to
quote:

Well there’s the rub innit?

It’s going to take something harsher than elections, since the elections are rigged, to reset this mess. And Hillary’s fbi knows as much


Yes, that's a massive problem. I am still optimistic that people can rally and overwhelm the system in November to overcome these "errors". That will depend on if there's amnesty or widespread voting by those that are illegally present etc. If we don't get it right in November, though, they'll have two years to trickle in things like amnesty for this group, then that group etc, and it'll be over at that point.
Posted by DEG
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2009
10530 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 6:56 am to
Trump led people to believe that opinions matter more than facts. All you posted were opinions, conjectures, and anecdotes. Want me to show you YT videos proving that elections are highly secure?
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67787 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 7:16 am to

A basic tenant of democracy is that those who lose elections need to accept defeat.

Election losers are willing to play by the rules IF they believe that they can win the next time around.

This means that it is essential that our election systems be perceived as fair.

When this is not the case, it all collapses.

This is why election integrity laws are critical.

-paper ballots
-voter ID
-verified voter roles
-in person voting
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79052 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 8:45 am to
quote:

We have Blockchain technology used by our financial institutions that validate everything, but it’s not used for election tabulations.


How racist can someone be??! Blacks don’t have access to this “blockchain” thing you’re talking about!! They are, according to Dems, too stupid to be able to get an ID.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34891 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 8:51 am to
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Anything but 100% verifiable paper ballots is unacceptable, and not to be trusted.

Edit: and requiring strict voter ID with state license and verification of citizenship.


The Dems will scream "voter suppression". Scrubbed voter rolls will never happen. All they have to do is stall and the MSM will carry their "election denier" narrative.

It won't be votes that determine the future of this 'Nation'. It will be the results of economic dysfunction and collapse, Cloward-Piven version.
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