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re: US temperature data suggest CO2 does NOT cause warming.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:10 am to lsunatchamp
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:10 am to lsunatchamp
quote:to get to that number you have to systematically adjust past temperature much lower than the raw data and adjust current temperature data higher, which incidentally is exactly what was done in the models
It is still unclear if humans have any effect on climate change, however it is clear that the avg temperature has increased worldwide by 1.1 degrees C since 1900.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:13 am to GumboPot
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Water is the biggest energy capacitor
Ever notice when a cold front comes through and baton Rouge drops 30 degrees and Nola drops 10, and then slowly drops the next 20?
Look at an aerial map of Nola and you will see why. Hint- all the water that surrounds the city
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:14 am to GumboPot
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US temperature data suggest CO2 does NOT cause warming.
This data is racist
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:35 am to lsunatchamp
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It is also clear that more carbon particles in the atmosphere prevent the suns rays from reflecting back into space (thicker atmosphere).
This also affects how much of the sun's rays make it in, in the first place.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:44 am to Auburn1968
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CO2 is the result of climate change, not the cause of it.
The main factor in this is the solubility of CO2 in water as temperatures vary. The ocean contains a vast amount of CO2. As the water warms, it releases the gas, as it cools, it absorbs it. If CO2 was the driver for climate change this would have created an inherently unstable system where warming would have caused more warming (bc more CO2 released to air) and cooling caused more cooling (more CO2 absorbed into the ocean) and caused a runaway reaction to either hot or cold long ago. Obviously this hasn't happened.
This is shown in Auburn's graph that was posted.
Edited to add image below.
As temps warm (moving right on graph) CO2 solubility in water goes down, forcing dissolved CO2 to move into the air, atmospheric concentration goes up.
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 11:56 am
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:46 am to kingbob
quote:and thats why you're the king, Bob...
I have been telling people for a decade that when you examine ice core data, you find that CO2 is consistently a lagging indicator of previous warming rather than a driver of warming. Atmospheric CO2 increased as a lagging indicator of the end of the mini ice age. When it stopped warming, natural CO2 stopped increasing a few decades later.
I always heard that ice core samples place that lag at an average of 800 years...
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:49 am to GumboPot
quote:So, just to clarify. CO2 does cause warming.
US temperature data suggest CO2 does NOT cause warming.
But it concomitantly leads to 'greening' which generates water vapor. Atmospheric water buffers the CO2 forcing effect.
Does that kind of sum it up?
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:49 am to Auburn1968
quote:correct 68.
CO2 is the result of climate change, not the cause of it.
and at each crest or trough of temperature, the CO2 shares the zone for periods of time, which also are lagging.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:56 am to BamaAtl
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Increased CO2 has virtually no effect on the heat capacity of air.
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Weird that that goes against observations and basic physics that say you're wrong.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:46 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Basic physics like Henry's Law?
basic physics
The partial pressure of gas contained in liquid increases as the temperature of the liquid increases. Assuming an open system, the contained gas enters the atmosphere.
Basic physics like the fact 93% of earth's CO2 is contained in the oceans
... a gas contained in a liquid?
You contend CO2 drives the climate.
If true, as preanthropogenic atmospheric CO2 concentrations increased, climate warming would occur. As climate warming occurred, the oceans would warm. As the oceans warmed, oceanic CO2 would enter the atmosphere, causing still more:
warming => ocean warming => CO2 release, and
warming => ocean warming => CO2 release, and
warming => ocean warming => CO2 release, etc.,
until the oceans basically boiled.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 1:04 pm to GumboPot
This is a great website and organization.
CO2 Coalition
The Absurdity of the Conventional Global Warming Narrative
Dissecting the Texas Power Failure
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CO2 Coalition is the nation’s leading organization providing facts, resources and information about the vital role carbon dioxide plays in our environment
About Us
The CO2 Coalition was established in 2015 as a non-partisan educational foundation operating under Section 501(c)(3) of the IRS code for the purpose of educating thought leaders, policy makers, and the public about the important contribution made by carbon dioxide to our lives and the economy. The Coalition seeks to engage in an informed and dispassionate discussion of climate change, humans’ role in the climate system, the limitations of climate models, and the consequences of mandated reductions in CO2 emissions.
In carrying out our mission, we seek to strengthen the understanding of the role of science and the scientific process in addressing complex public policy issues like climate change. Science produces empirical, measurable, objective facts and provides a means for testing hypotheses that can be replicated and potentially disproven. Approaches to policy that do not adhere to the scientific process risk grave damage to the economy and to science.
CO2 Coalition
The Absurdity of the Conventional Global Warming Narrative
Dissecting the Texas Power Failure
Presentations
CO2 Coalition is the nation’s leading organization providing facts, resources and information about the vital role carbon dioxide plays in our environment
About Us
The CO2 Coalition was established in 2015 as a non-partisan educational foundation operating under Section 501(c)(3) of the IRS code for the purpose of educating thought leaders, policy makers, and the public about the important contribution made by carbon dioxide to our lives and the economy. The Coalition seeks to engage in an informed and dispassionate discussion of climate change, humans’ role in the climate system, the limitations of climate models, and the consequences of mandated reductions in CO2 emissions.
In carrying out our mission, we seek to strengthen the understanding of the role of science and the scientific process in addressing complex public policy issues like climate change. Science produces empirical, measurable, objective facts and provides a means for testing hypotheses that can be replicated and potentially disproven. Approaches to policy that do not adhere to the scientific process risk grave damage to the economy and to science.
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