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re: US temperature data suggest CO2 does NOT cause warming.

Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:10 am to
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:10 am to
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It is still unclear if humans have any effect on climate change, however it is clear that the avg temperature has increased worldwide by 1.1 degrees C since 1900.
to get to that number you have to systematically adjust past temperature much lower than the raw data and adjust current temperature data higher, which incidentally is exactly what was done in the models
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70282 posts
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:13 am to
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Water is the biggest energy capacitor


Ever notice when a cold front comes through and baton Rouge drops 30 degrees and Nola drops 10, and then slowly drops the next 20?

Look at an aerial map of Nola and you will see why. Hint- all the water that surrounds the city
Posted by JColtF
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:14 am to
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US temperature data suggest CO2 does NOT cause warming.




This data is racist
Posted by F73ME
SE LA
Member since May 2018
915 posts
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:35 am to
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It is also clear that more carbon particles in the atmosphere prevent the suns rays from reflecting back into space (thicker atmosphere).



This also affects how much of the sun's rays make it in, in the first place.
Posted by F73ME
SE LA
Member since May 2018
915 posts
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:44 am to
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CO2 is the result of climate change, not the cause of it.




The main factor in this is the solubility of CO2 in water as temperatures vary. The ocean contains a vast amount of CO2. As the water warms, it releases the gas, as it cools, it absorbs it. If CO2 was the driver for climate change this would have created an inherently unstable system where warming would have caused more warming (bc more CO2 released to air) and cooling caused more cooling (more CO2 absorbed into the ocean) and caused a runaway reaction to either hot or cold long ago. Obviously this hasn't happened.

This is shown in Auburn's graph that was posted.

Edited to add image below.

As temps warm (moving right on graph) CO2 solubility in water goes down, forcing dissolved CO2 to move into the air, atmospheric concentration goes up.


This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 11:56 am
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:46 am to
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I have been telling people for a decade that when you examine ice core data, you find that CO2 is consistently a lagging indicator of previous warming rather than a driver of warming. Atmospheric CO2 increased as a lagging indicator of the end of the mini ice age. When it stopped warming, natural CO2 stopped increasing a few decades later.
and thats why you're the king, Bob...

I always heard that ice core samples place that lag at an average of 800 years...
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
137721 posts
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:49 am to
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US temperature data suggest CO2 does NOT cause warming.
So, just to clarify. CO2 does cause warming.

But it concomitantly leads to 'greening' which generates water vapor. Atmospheric water buffers the CO2 forcing effect.

Does that kind of sum it up?
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 11:57 am
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:49 am to
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CO2 is the result of climate change, not the cause of it.
correct 68.

and at each crest or trough of temperature, the CO2 shares the zone for periods of time, which also are lagging.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63071 posts
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:56 am to
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Increased CO2 has virtually no effect on the heat capacity of air.
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Weird that that goes against observations and basic physics that say you're wrong.
Idiot. CO2 is only about 0.04% of the composition of air. Better yet, it's heat capacity is ~0.85 kJ/kg-K. Air is... 1.0kJ/kg-K. So go ahead and tell us how raising the concentration of CO2 is going to raise the heat capacity of air. You're out of your league. Do you even know what heat capacity is?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
137721 posts
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:46 pm to
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basic physics
Basic physics like Henry's Law?
The partial pressure of gas contained in liquid increases as the temperature of the liquid increases. Assuming an open system, the contained gas enters the atmosphere.

Basic physics like the fact 93% of earth's CO2 is contained in the oceans
... a gas contained in a liquid?

You contend CO2 drives the climate.
If true, as preanthropogenic atmospheric CO2 concentrations increased, climate warming would occur. As climate warming occurred, the oceans would warm. As the oceans warmed, oceanic CO2 would enter the atmosphere, causing still more:
warming => ocean warming => CO2 release, and
warming => ocean warming => CO2 release, and
warming => ocean warming => CO2 release, etc.,
until the oceans basically boiled.


Posted by Swazla
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 2/17/23 at 1:04 pm to
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