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re: UPS Fires Hundreds Of Workers Who Defended Fired Colleague
Posted on 4/4/14 at 7:02 am to Champagne
Posted on 4/4/14 at 7:02 am to Champagne
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My point is that management can do stupid and unfair things, and, the Teamsters can do good work.
Seems like you scraped a company vehicle and didn't report it, and the union thugs had to strong arm the employer to bring you back.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 7:57 am to baybeefeetz
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UPS is a very ball busting work environment. Never seen management and employees be so at odds
UPS is also getting worse and worse at delivering packages on time. I was greeted at 6 this morning with another delivery not arriving on time. Other shippers you can talk with someone and make arrangements, not UPS, they hold your packages hostage. We are talking local ground. The are actually ok at air still.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:35 am to wickowick
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The remaining 230 were told they would be fired as soon as replacements are trained.
This is a terrible idea. Fire them now, before they slack off for a month, ruining everything on their way out.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 11:17 am to wickowick
good they deserved to be fired.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 11:36 am to a want
quote:actually they can just go work somewhere else. Last time I checked they could either work in another city close by or move to another city for a better job. If some employees do this then the city either withers or it pays them correctly.
Unions can help in certain situations:
A mid-sized city has (basically) 1 hospital. It is owned by the city. There is a token "competitor" but the city hospital services 98% of the city.
The city hospital has been driving down wages of h.c. professionals for years. It has also been increasing work load...because it can. In a true free market, another hospital could open and compete BUT the city controls zoning so....there isn't going to be any real competition. H.C. workers are screwed.
In this case, IMO unions are appropriate. They can't just go work somewhere else.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:24 pm to wickowick
Market forces doing their thing 
Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:39 pm to heartbreakTiger
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Last time I checked they could either work in another city close by or move to another city for a better job. If some employees do this then the city either withers or it pays them correctly.
I'm amazed people still think like this.
If someone told me to leave my home, family and the land of my ancestors just for a job, I'd tell them to go frick themselves.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:47 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
But you'd probably be out of a job? It's not like you can just have any job in the city that you want to live in. The job has to be there.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:10 pm to baybeefeetz
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Yep. My experience.
If my local Teamsters office set up the work-stoppage or strike of any kind, I would have obeyed my local office and shop steward. I would stop, slow down or strike until told to go back to work by my local Teamsters office, no matter what management said, threatened, told my Mommy, etc.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:11 pm to Rickety Cricket
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Seems like you scraped a company vehicle and didn't report it, and the union thugs had to strong arm the employer to bring you back.
We're Teamsters. Nobody fricks with us, unless they are tired of living.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:12 pm to ironsides
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But you'd probably be out of a job? It's not like you can just have any job in the city that you want to live in. The job has to be there.
Having a 'job' is not the sine qua non of life for me. I truly feel sorry for anyone who places a 'job' above home and family. They represent the itinerant laborer that our system is so efficient at taking advantage of.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:20 pm to Champagne
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We're Teamsters. Nobody fricks with us
Hmmm, not even longshoremen?
Those are pretty big words for a mule driver.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:04 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Those are pretty big words for a mule driver.
I've seen "On the Waterfront" many times, so, I know all about the longshoremen unions. If a bum like Terry Malloy can bust up your operations, anybody could.
Terry M. was no Teamster. I saw no evidence that he could even drive an automobile.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:18 pm to Champagne
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I've seen "On the Waterfront" many times, so, I know all about the longshoremen unions.
I 'worked' at an uncle's warehouse on Tchoupitoulas one summer as a kid. I asked him what he did, and he told me, "Import, export". I asked him, "Import, export what?" "Cargo." he said. I didn't ask any more questions.
Brando wouldn't have lasted 30 seconds on that wharf. Those men were some mean, angry sob's that would just as soon bump you right in the river as give you a second thought. I stayed the frick out of their way.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 7:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I stayed the frick out of their way.
Sounds like good work to me -- working on the docks as a longshoreman.
We know from history that the New Orleans wharf workers/longshoremen were the first legitimate industry to get "mobbed up" in NOLA. The Sicilian Black Hand controlled the wharfs back then around 1890 - 1900.
As the 20th century rolled along, I'm sure that the legitimate longshoremen's union got it's footing and the industry became more professional and legit.
The screenplay for "On the Waterfront" was inspired by some newspaper articles about mob activities on the NYC waterfront, specifically Hoboken, NJ.
Anybody who has ever been a member of a Teamster local or Longshoreman's Union knows that you are risking your job if you undertake any work-stoppage, unless directly ordered by the union.
Those UPS Teamsters don't seem to have been acting under union orders -- it was a "wildcat strike", it seems.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 7:48 pm
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