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re: United States' first female Muslim judge, Sheila Abdus-Salaam, found dead in New York
Posted on 4/16/17 at 9:07 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 4/16/17 at 9:07 am to FooManChoo
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My phrase was meant to convey that Christianity teaches about telling the truth, such as in a court setting where justice requires truthfulness.
Much of which is subjective.
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But to your point, all world views maintain certain presuppositions that are taken on faith, even yours.
I don't take a worldview on faith. I also don't claim that the words of a book give me special authority to dictate my views to others.
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Posted on 4/16/17 at 9:17 am to Argonaut
quote:Experience is subjective. Truth is not. Testimony that is not based on truth is unreliable, which is why witnesses are required to take an oath of truthfulness, so that their testimony can be useful to the matter being judged.
Much of which is subjective
quote:All world views are reduced to basic assumptions that are taken on faith, such as the universal nature of the laws of logic, or the basic reliability of our senses. I can absolutely guarantee that there are aspects of your worldview that are taken on faith.
I don't take a worldview on faith. I also don't claim that the words of a book give me special authority to dictate my views to others.
ETA:
My worldview gives me a basis to judge good from bad and right from wrong. I assume you are an atheist. If so, you have no objective standard to judge right from wrong and thus you cannot rationally judge my beliefs as wrong.
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/16/17 at 9:22 am to FooManChoo
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Truth is not.
When it's based on a subjective book or subjective ideas, it is. Tap dancing doesn't change that.
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I can absolutely guarantee that there are aspects of your worldview that are taken on faith.
You can guarantee anything you like. I don't allow faith to shape my views.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 9:23 am to FooManChoo
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I assume you are an atheist.
Assume away.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 9:23 am to AggieDub14
To me it's not at all groundbreaking that she was the first Muslim female judge. I would bet solid money that those characteristics are what set her apart from her competition for that spot.
Groundbreaking is different. Nobody, nobody these days is failing to make it in the law because they are a minority.
Come at me.
Groundbreaking is different. Nobody, nobody these days is failing to make it in the law because they are a minority.
Come at me.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 9:31 am to Argonaut
quote:Claims are either true or they are false. If they are true, then they must be objectively true in order to satisfy the law of non contradiction (they cannot be true and not true at the same time and in the same sense).
When it's based on a subjective book or subjective ideas, it is. Tap dancing doesn't change that
quote:Perhaps you would like to share some of your views to test that claim?
You can guarantee anything you like. I don't allow faith to shape my views
Posted on 4/16/17 at 9:41 am to DelU249
Posted on 4/16/17 at 9:42 am to FooManChoo
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Claims are either true or they are false.
Sure, but they aren't always verifiable, making them subjective.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 10:26 am to Argonaut
quote:Truth is objective. Experience and interpretation are subjective.
Sure, but they aren't always verifiable, making them subjective
Posted on 4/16/17 at 10:28 am to AggieDub14
Suicide bomber?
Posted on 4/16/17 at 10:40 am to FooManChoo
quote:quote:quote:quote:quote:
The Christian ethic is based on truth
It's based on your beliefs.
Claims are either true or they are false.
Sure, but they aren't always verifiable, making them subjective.
Truth is objective.
You're bouncing all over the place, trying to make this work.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 10:50 am to AggieDub14
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Because someone died. Was it really necessary for me to tell you this or are you just a cold person?
People die every day.
Acknowledging that fact doesn't make one any colder of a person than the next.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 4:05 pm to Argonaut
She actually wasn't muslim
Posted on 4/16/17 at 11:26 pm to Argonaut
I'm bot bouncing anywhere.
Truth is objective. A truth claim is either true or it isn't. It can't be both at the same time and in the same sense as some people like to say. The Bible makes truth claims that are either objectively true or objectively false and Christianity is based on those truth claims found in the Bible. If the claims were subjective, they could be true and not true at the same time depending on point of view. Since the claims are either true or not, the claims themselves have to have an objective judgement.
Like I said, interpretation and experience are subjective, but truth is objective.
Truth is objective. A truth claim is either true or it isn't. It can't be both at the same time and in the same sense as some people like to say. The Bible makes truth claims that are either objectively true or objectively false and Christianity is based on those truth claims found in the Bible. If the claims were subjective, they could be true and not true at the same time depending on point of view. Since the claims are either true or not, the claims themselves have to have an objective judgement.
Like I said, interpretation and experience are subjective, but truth is objective.
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