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re: Ukraine is about to get hot
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:10 am to Chromdome35
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:10 am to Chromdome35
I have been hearing these songs "Russia will attack Ukraine" for more than 7 years.
Putin said exactly when and why he would attack. If missile launchers appear in Ukraine.
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and for some reason I believe that he will do so
Putin said exactly when and why he would attack. If missile launchers appear in Ukraine.
LINK
and for some reason I believe that he will do so
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Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:19 am to jcaz
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Would be an invasion of a sovereign nation. Russia isn’t that stupid.
This most likely begins with a civil war in eastern Ukraine with significant loss of life. Russia will intervene to restore order between the Russian speaking and Ukrainian nationalists and to protect the Russian speaking population from reprisals and domestic terrorism. An uneasy ceasefire will eventually be delicately achieved with sporadic threats of violence. People of the Donbass will then vote for autonomy from Ukraine. Carefully and methodically, eastern Ukraine will become part of Russia.
Russia will use its military superiority, its vast intelligence and spying resources, bribes, and energy leverage to achieve its goals.
Russia will enjoy the full support of China and most of the third world, which Russia has long developed close working diplomatic and intelligence ties. Economic sanctions won’t matter. Russia doesn’t need US money or financial interests. Russia and China have been developing solid economic, financial, and trade measures over the past several years. The standard rule of the US dollar in all international trade and financial transactions has been replaced by the two countries with others joining their lead to diminish American influence in world trade transactions.
If it happens, I believe that is the manner in which it proceeds.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:27 am to SCLibertarian
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100% a lie
Sadly, because of our intelligence agencies, Presidents, and recent military expeditionary and ultimate abandonment history, the word of America is close to meaningless.
Russia is not going to suddenly drive tanks over the border into Ukraine with no consideration of the geopolitical effects and without a clear obtainable objective.
No, that would be a clumsy boneheaded move the US might do. And we’ve done a lot of that.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:33 am to LuckyTiger
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Russia will enjoy the full support of China and most of the third world, which Russia has long developed close working diplomatic and intelligence ties. Economic sanctions won’t matter. Russia doesn’t need US money or financial interests. Russia and China have been developing solid economic, financial, and trade measures over the past several years. The standard rule of the US dollar in all international trade and financial transactions has been replaced by the two countries with others joining their lead to diminish American influence in world trade transactions.
Of course sanctions matter. And the Russian-Chinese relationship isn't really where they are equal partners. Sanctions corresponded with a major reduction in Russian GDP and Russia has a demographic crisis ongoing as well. The Chinese promised to buttress the ruble in light of the sanctions, which doesn't indicate an equal relationship. The Chinese also continue to secure new sources of energy through their deals with Iran. The dollar will continue to be used for balance of payments just like the pound and yen are used in balance of payments, and will likely continue to be used.
I'm guessing the West is trying to draw Russia into a prolonged quagmire in Ukraine, with the same pattern of funding and use of mercenaries and extremists we've already seen in the ME.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:35 am to BuckyCheese
There not going to do anything except write strong letters and spit and fume.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:37 am to crazy4lsu
Sanctions will not determine Russian action.
China has a vested interest in supporting a strong Russia.
And the US dollar has less impact in the international transactions of the two country than ever and that influence will continue to wane.
China has a vested interest in supporting a strong Russia.
And the US dollar has less impact in the international transactions of the two country than ever and that influence will continue to wane.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:37 am to momentoftruth87
All Bidiot will do is point his finger
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:38 am to Chromdome35
When Brandon heard the report he swiftly shuffled over into the corner and farted.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:39 am to crazy4lsu
And I don’t think Russia will take the same strategy of Syria in Ukraine.
It’s a completely different dynamic in most every manner, from geography to ethnicity to history.
It’s a completely different dynamic in most every manner, from geography to ethnicity to history.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:40 am to Chromdome35
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The US says it has evidence
I stopped reading right there.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:41 am to Chromdome35
At one time I would care. But this is a European problem.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:44 am to LuckyTiger
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China has a vested interest in supporting a strong Russia.
I think you are overstating this, as Russian-Chinese interests align on some matters, but China absolutely doesn't want a strong Russia. That is dependent on what you mean by strong though. I'd imagine the Chinese would be perfectly happy with placing their excess capacity in Russia.
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And the US dollar has less impact in the international transactions of the two country than ever and that influence will continue to wane.
I don't even know if China-Russian trade takes place in dollars, as it might be in yuan, but given how the rest of the world looks, people will continue to look to the dollar, especially if there is unrest elsewhere.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:47 am to Barneyrb
Agreed but we are capitalist and I for one wouldn’t mind make a few bucks selling Ukraine some jets, helicopters, and other modern military armaments…..
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:51 am to crazy4lsu
I’m always open to reconsideration when prompted. I believe that China and Russia have essentially been pushed into a mutual beneficial and supportive relationship. I don’t think China wants to subordinate Russia. I think they see the potential, value, opportunity, and necessity to work together. Not unlike some other alignment dynamics in history.
There are new economic grounds being developed between the two countries with a seemingly international outlook.
Sadly, I have to go make some money now. I always enjoy our international focus conversations.
There are new economic grounds being developed between the two countries with a seemingly international outlook.
Sadly, I have to go make some money now. I always enjoy our international focus conversations.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 7:00 am to LuckyTiger
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don’t think China wants to subordinate Russia. I think they see the potential, value, opportunity, and necessity to work together.
Well, the money dynamics determine this somewhat. China has excess capacity and is openly investing in numerous countries around the world. Post-2014 the dynamic changed, which seemingly aligned Chinese-Russian interests more closely. What complicates this relationship is that Russia is a nuclear power and Russia has a deep relationship with India, who is China's major obstacle to the Caspian Basin. My view is that China would rather subordinate Russia to ensure that at least one border is safe so it can focus on its border to the west, although 'subordinate' isn't the right word.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 7:06 am to crazy4lsu
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I don't even know if China-Russian trade takes place in dollars, as it might be in yuan, but given how the rest of the world looks, people will continue to look to the dollar, especially if there is unrest elsewhere.
Was conducted earlier. Now the dollar's share is decreasing all the time. And this is not at all the fault of Russia. The dollar sanctions imposed on Russia cannot in any way cancel foreign trade. In total, I had to trade in national currencies. America Blocking the dollar IMHO shot itself in the leg. Other countries, looking at this, have slightly lowered the share of the dollar in their foreign exchange reserves.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 7:11 am to KiwiHead
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At one time I would care. But this is a European problem.
Lol. We’ve been meddling in Ukraine for decades. If it’s a European problem, it’s a European problem we created.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 7:29 am to Chromdome35
I'm not believing anything our intelligence community has to say about Russia again. Even if they're right occasionally.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 7:30 am to ruff fish
Shinzo Abe told China that an invasion of Taiwan would threaten Japan.
Coincidence? :)
Coincidence? :)
Posted on 12/2/21 at 7:32 am to Chromdome35
Gotta keep the Russia boogey man up and running to take attention off of their dealings with China.
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