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re: Ukraine Crisis: What you're not being told
Posted on 3/15/14 at 12:20 am to Sleeping Tiger
Posted on 3/15/14 at 12:20 am to Sleeping Tiger
So the title of your post is Ukraine Crisis: What you're not being told
then you post the article of the same name you used and list twenty mainstream news articles that talk about the concerns of Svoboda as being an extreme right wing organization.
Also go ahead and listen to the leaked Nuland conversation. She is very clear she sees it as US policy to back Block Timoshenko/Batsshyvchina and marginalize Svoboda and Udar/Klitchko.
The hearts and minds of Ukrainians was not subverted by US money, it was seared with the memory of what occurred over the 20th century by both Nazi and Soviet brutality.
then you post the article of the same name you used and list twenty mainstream news articles that talk about the concerns of Svoboda as being an extreme right wing organization.
Also go ahead and listen to the leaked Nuland conversation. She is very clear she sees it as US policy to back Block Timoshenko/Batsshyvchina and marginalize Svoboda and Udar/Klitchko.
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it is constitutional for the United States to back a neo-nazi fascist regime and poor billions into subverting the hearts and minds of Ukrainians.
The hearts and minds of Ukrainians was not subverted by US money, it was seared with the memory of what occurred over the 20th century by both Nazi and Soviet brutality.
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 12:40 am to Sleeping Tiger
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What is really quite hilarious is Crimea decided to vote on secession from Ukraine.
But the United States said that is unconstitutional and won't recognize the secession if it is approved.
So apparently it's unconstitutional for Crimea to democratically vote on their future, but it is constitutional for the United States to back a neo-nazi fascist regime and poor billions into subverting the hearts and minds of Ukrainians.
You win the Stupid frick of The Day Award.
Crimea "decided" to vote?
let me know if you'd be compelled to either 1) cast a vote in favor of seccesion or 2) stay home if your town was taken over by a foreign Army who was harassing you and your neighbors and beating women in the street who spoke in favor of Ukraine. And for sure .. let's ignore the fact that the last time the pro-Russian delegation came up for a vote in Crimea they garnered an abysmal 4% of the votes. Tard on.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 1:40 am to OleWar
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So the title of your post is Ukraine Crisis: What you're not being told
then you post the article of the same name you used and list twenty mainstream news articles that talk about the concerns of Svoboda as being an extreme right wing organization.
So first you discredit the information because it came from an untrusting source.
You were shown that the info came from a compilation of trusting sources.
Now you're displeased that there is a contradiction between my thread title, which suggest that we haven't been told something, with the fact that the information in the thread comes from various mainstream news outlets.
I think the phrase 'what you're not being told' refers to what isn't being driven into the official narrative, not necessarily what has never been said or reported.
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Also go ahead and listen to the leaked Nuland conversation. She is very clear she sees it as US policy to back Block Timoshenko/Batsshyvchina and marginalize Svoboda and Udar/Klitchko.
This is pretty much a lie and distortion of context.
Nuland is very clear that she doesn't want Klitchko in the government, but wants him in Yatsenyuk's ear talking 4 times a week. She says 'we need him not the outside'. She recognizes that he has more value in other areas, and a more experienced and reputable face is needed to be the face of the government.
And the facts seem to show Svoboda has been empowered, not marginalized.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 2:11 am to Sleeping Tiger
Your storm front article uses some already reported opinions and facts and then goes right into the KGB talking points slandering the Ukrainian people.
You are so ignorant it is infuriating. Have you ever been to Ukraine, Russia, or Eastern Europe. You have no idea what life is like there and the dynamics involved.
If anything Ukraine was abandoned by this US administration. Sure some vestige USAID and National Endowment money was still programmed and flowing, but if anything this money was marginal to achieving any policy goals. NATO expansion was dead in 2008 and the EU was just playing yo-yo with the Ukrainians. They were not going get membership after Greece.
By the way, here is a thought experiment for you Mr. Idealist, Imagine if you had been born into a Ukrainian family in Lviv in 1919. What would your life had been like? What would your children and grand children's lives been like assuming you would have survived? What do you think your political views would have been.
You are so ignorant it is infuriating. Have you ever been to Ukraine, Russia, or Eastern Europe. You have no idea what life is like there and the dynamics involved.
If anything Ukraine was abandoned by this US administration. Sure some vestige USAID and National Endowment money was still programmed and flowing, but if anything this money was marginal to achieving any policy goals. NATO expansion was dead in 2008 and the EU was just playing yo-yo with the Ukrainians. They were not going get membership after Greece.
By the way, here is a thought experiment for you Mr. Idealist, Imagine if you had been born into a Ukrainian family in Lviv in 1919. What would your life had been like? What would your children and grand children's lives been like assuming you would have survived? What do you think your political views would have been.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 2:30 am to OleWar
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slandering the Ukrainian people.
How were they slandered?
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You are so ignorant it is infuriating
You're posting in a state of distress because you're angry. You've shifted your attack to me now that your concern about the source has been put to rest.
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Imagine if you had been born into a Ukrainian family in Lviv in 1919. What would your life had been like? What would your children and grand children's lives been like assuming you would have survived? What do you think your political views would have been.
This has not a thing to do with the information provided in this thread.
You keep trying to swing at anything but the substance of the thread.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 10:06 am to Sleeping Tiger
quote:There is no substance in this thread.
but the substance of the thread.
Your thread title claims there is some coverup keeping important (to you) information secret and hidden from the American people. ("What you're not being told.")
Then in a post on page 9 in this thread you list 16 sources of information (with mostly unworking links since you appear to not know how to link articles), including CNN, Reuters and BBC, discussing the very same things you claim are being covered up and kept secret.
It can hardly be considered being kept secret if international news organizations are publishing multiple articles about the subject on their websites.
Do you not realize how stupid that makes you look? Do you not understand how paranoid and mentally unstable this thread makes you look?
Even when topics are being published and available to everyone, you somehow come to the conclusion the American people are being kept in the dark about those topics.
Dumb, dumb, dumb.....and paranoid.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 10:10 am to Sleeping Tiger
you slander common people who show more bravery then you could ever imagine by publishing KGB propoganda.
Slava Ukraina!!!
Slava Ukraina!!!
Posted on 3/15/14 at 10:24 am to OleWar
I take it this is your first encounter with Sleepingbackhair?
Posted on 3/15/14 at 10:41 am to Jbird
This thread has gotten the anchor. I've asked on the Help Board what caused the thread to be anchored. Does anyone here see why that has occurred?
Posted on 3/15/14 at 10:50 am to LSURussian
Probably got a little too rancorous, maybe backhair asked for the anchor, and is requesting a new name again? 
Posted on 3/15/14 at 10:56 am to Jbird
If mo initiated the anchor by requesting it, that means he pretty much waved the white flag.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:19 am to LSURussian
quote:Well you never know.
f mo initiated the anchor by requesting it, that means he pretty much waved the white flag.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:42 pm to LSURussian
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Your thread title claims there is some coverup keeping important (to you) information secret and hidden from the American people. ("What you're not being told.")
No, I've been very clear. I said this information is available, meaning it's not a cover up. However, the media is keeping this from getting into the main vein of the narrative.
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Then in a post on page 9 in this thread you list 16 sources of information (with mostly unworking links since you appear to not know how to link articles), including CNN, Reuters and BBC, discussing the very same things you claim are being covered up and kept secret.
All of those links are accessible from the article in the OP.
I responded to the concern that not all the links worked by posting the link to the article (again) where all the links are functioning.
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It can hardly be considered being kept secret if international news organizations are publishing multiple articles about the subject on their websites.
You just repeated your first concern. You literally just repeated the same concern in different wording. Weird.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:44 pm to OleWar
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you slander common people who show more bravery then you could ever imagine by publishing KGB propoganda.
So you're not going to answer.
How were they slandered?
How is information compiled from western news outlets KGB propaganda?
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