re: Turkey threatens to shut down Incirlik and ground our planes

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but Effies beer is shite.

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I only had Tuborg there. I guess thats why its big in northern Iraq haha.

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I only had Tuborg there. I guess thats why its big in northern Iraq haha.

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The bottling plant isn't too far off the end of the runway, from the air you can see the city's sewage treatment plant next to it.

Tuborg is bottled by Effies in Turkey. Little quality control, you could drink a hundred of them and only pee, the next night get stomped on about 4.

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Well if you don't care you don't care. But Turkey receives almost nothing in direct aid from us and has provided real, tangible benefit to our overseas operations and national security--unlike an increasing majority of our other "partners."

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What's funny is that our GWOT effort has hinged on governments that most people despise. Turkey, Kuwait, Saudi, Qatar and Jordan have been in on this shite from day one. All predominantly Muslim countries, and one damn near Islamic state.

How people don't know this is a fricking mystery to me. When we talk about Israel people get so mad when it's pointed out that they haven't done even 1/10th of 1% of any random one of these countries. Hell, Lebanon provides us with more direct benefit, at a far lower cost, and we don't do much of anything there except build THEIR capabilities through CNTs.

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How people don't know this is a fricking mystery to me. When we talk about Israel people get so mad when it's pointed out that they haven't done even 1/10th of 1% of any random one of these countries. Hell, Lebanon provides us with more direct benefit, at a far lower cost, and we don't do much of anything there except build THEIR capabilities through CNTs.

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Narratives long woven in the media, halls of government, and churches in this country trump reality.

Was stationed there in 94. Stayed drunk the entire time. Best 15 months I barely remember.

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Hahahaha I had no idea

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Yup, a buddy got a case of Effies and got through about two cans before he gave up, he even tried to dilute it by adding it to the Tuborg, no go, it was as skunk assed shite as you could get. we ended up chucking it out.

They also bottled "Lowenbrau" um yeah in name only.

This

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they like to use it as a bargaining chip

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and this

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their NATO commitment.

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Don't go together. If we even suggest that we want other countries to just fulfill their minimum NATO responsibilities, then all hell breaks loose and we are abandoning our allies.

Trump should tell them that we will be there on our terms, or Turkey can leave NATO. We foot the bill. We make the rules.

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Yup, a buddy got a case of Effies and got through about two cans before he gave up, he even tried to dilute it by adding it to the Tuborg, no go, it was as skunk assed shite as you could get. we ended up chucking it out.

They also bottled "Lowenbrau" um yeah in name only.

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Those sneaky mother frickers. Never trust a türk my grandad used to say

He was a racist, mean, old drunk, but he wasn't stupid haha.

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Those sneaky mother frickers.

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Actually the bottle states, "Bottled under license at Effies bottling" or some shite. Always read the fine print on the beer when you are in pseudo third world countries.

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Times changed, now you can't go off base. It's becoming a deployment for some and a remote for others. No dependents

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As long as the pool, golf course and bowling alley are still open, and the gas station has beer and booze we are good to go.