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re: Trump tweets about proposed NYC seawall
Posted on 1/19/20 at 10:36 pm to MrLSU
Posted on 1/19/20 at 10:36 pm to MrLSU
quote:do you people care that you don't know what you are talking about? The lake borgne barrier wall is a combo wall system very easy to build in the marsh. What they are doing in NYC is way different. And to my knowledge that 200 billion number is way off.
Our sea wall the MRGO
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Posted on 1/19/20 at 10:39 pm to Tarps99
quote:the harbor barrier plan was costed out and at those depths cost more that what is being designed and built now.
For 200 billion, someone could design something I would like to call the New York Harbor barrier plan. It would be a wall built off shore, it would start in Sandy Hook, NJ to Fort Tilden, New York. On the back side around the interstate 295 bridge where it crosses from Queens back to the mainland, you would have another structure.
It would be an environmental structure like the Dutch with gates to allow tidal flow, and a central floodgate. In looking at terrain and water depths, the system could be constructed of hard line structures with solid gates or water filled bags or balloons to close the gate. The balloon gate would be filled in times of approaching storms.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:41 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
He’s spot on with this one
Posted on 1/20/20 at 7:03 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Haven't thoroughly researched the project, but I know some of the firms involved. There is huge money with this type of work and a lot of incentives for shenanigans and vote buying. I would be skeptical of the benefits, and expect the costs to be higher than what they anticipate.
Beware Dutch firms and large multinational engineering firms.
Beware Dutch firms and large multinational engineering firms.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:55 am to CivilTiger83
quote:you do know these projects kicked off weeks after sandy happened. Every major US firm has their hand in the pot.
Beware Dutch firms and large multinational engineering firms.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:58 am to memphisplaya
Surely you’ve got a more creative and thoughtful post than that.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:55 am to CarRamrod
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you do know these projects kicked off weeks after sandy happened. Every major US firm has their hand in the pot.
The planning and some smaller projects happened soon after Sandy. This is a huge proposed project.
Anybody who is proposing a flood protection project greater than $500 million and funded by tax dollars should provide an easily accessible, laymen's terms single sheet summary cost benefit analysis that the public can read and digest. And it should clearly explain what it does not do... such as does this project solve the problem of just storm surge or storm surge with rainfall?
And then they should talk about how the design will be bid - nothing should be done in secret.
Instead we have huge engineering firms gaming the system years in advance with non-profit organizations they control so they can get a big piece of the pie.
I have been a part of some of these large project pursuits. The potential for shady dealings is high. Don't expect a neutral third party opinion from any of the engineers at these firms when hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake for themselves.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:59 am to DMAN1968
quote:you sound like an enormous pussy
Is it your opinion it's a good thing? Bad thing? Anything besides just throwing in something to make it seem that you know more than others? I haven't been on this site for long but it seems to be the thing you do the most.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:01 am to CivilTiger83
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The planning and some smaller projects happened soon after Sandy. This is a huge proposed project.
billion dollar projects were in feasibility studies and costed out in 2014
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:11 am to CarRamrod
quote:
do you people care that you don't know what you are talking about? The lake borgne barrier wall is a combo wall system very easy to build in the marsh. What they are doing in NYC is way different. And to my knowledge that 200 billion number is way off.
Considering it was the first of its kind ever built (design-build) and it has experienced massive stabilization problems due to current undermining the huge cement base in the channel, contributions to major land loss due to water turbidity & flow, and I’m not going to go into the negative ecological impacts of the project I would say the ecological damage & on-going maintenance costs will be astronomical for NY.
Also that water has to go somewhere which means other areas outside the wall will see increased flooding of historic portions.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:13 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Any smart person knows that the OMB is beckoning the left to beckon for a wall.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:03 pm to MrLSU
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first of its kind ever built (design-build)
Combi-walls are nothing new. it was just the largest design build the corp had done to date. quote:so tell me more about these stabilization issues. Being a combi wall system would only see stability issues under load and it hasnt seen a hurricane yet, i dont believe you when you are saying it is seen "Massive stability issues". So where are you getting your information. Im talking the wall, not the sector gate, barge gate or lift gate.
it has experienced massive stabilization problems due to current undermining the huge cement base in the channel, contributions to major land loss due to water turbidity & flow, and I’m not going to go into the negative ecological impacts of the project I would say the ecological damage & on-going maintenance costs will be astronomical for NY.
No for the 2nd part of your statement, the ecological impacts are an issue. There are multiple reasons they just dont build a wall and massive gate somewhere in the Lower Bay. a lot has to do with eh tidal flows in the estuary. Try and find the studies done in Jamaica Bay. That was a huge factor. And the impacts the LBSB isnt as massive as you are making it out to be. it is one of the hottest fishing areas now.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:24 pm to AggieHank86
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No seawall can prevent all flooding in a storm of adequate size, but the Galveston seawall has prevented enormous damage over the course of the century since its construction.
Water can just go over the wall.... so why build it at all?
If water wants to get in, it will get in.
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