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re: Trump promoting a 50 year mortgage. Dave Ramsey will lose his mind. Terrible idea - imo

Posted on 11/11/25 at 7:42 am to
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 7:42 am to
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Smart people certainly don't


Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 7:46 am to
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How doesnt it solve making it more affordible
Laughbly, even if you presume the same interest rate (it will be higher for a 50y), the "savings" amounts to $270/month.



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A 50-year mortgage saves you about $270/month (on average with same rates), but takes 18 years more to get to 50% equity. The amortization schedule is ugly.




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and how could it make it worse
If RE prices come down 10% the "owner" would be upside down the first 20 years. What could possibly go wrong?

A $400k loan pays out almost $900,000 in interest. This isn't buying a home. This is renting from the bank until you get foreclosed on.

In order to pay off a home by retirement, you'd have to buy it before you're legally able to hold a full time job.

One has to have have dyscalculia. or a severe case of TWS.

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You ppl are incredibly dumb
Irony.
This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 7:48 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 7:46 am to
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If it has the intended effect of more people qualifying that means that the available inventory will be reduced and the list prices inch up.
At present, that "impact" is dubious.

Posted by Man4others
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 7:49 am to
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If RE prices come down 10% the "owner" would be upside down the first 20 years. What could possibly go wrong?


Find me a decade where home prices fell 10%. The reality is they increase on average 67% over a decade meaning your $400K home is now worth like $750K and you created $350K in net worth.
This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 7:50 am
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 7:52 am to
You broke out the charts. Another dumbarse who thinks ppl.stay in 1 loan longer than 7yrs and thinks paying front loaded interest to park principle.is building "equity"



Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 7:56 am to
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Find me a decade where home prices fell 10%.
Ma dude. I can find you a couple of years 2007-2009 and show you the chaos it called for people that became underwater on their homes, to the point that the Fed had to buy massive amounts of bad debt to keep banks from collapsing.

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The reality is they increase on average 67% over a decade
Stonks always go up!

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meaning your $400K home is now worth like $750K and you created $350K in net worth.
Not if you're paying $800k in interest. Do you people even know what an amortization table is?

And it makes the point for me. In order for people to not have to bring a check to sell their own house at closing you need the price to increase rapidly and steadily. Again we saw this 2009-2010, lots of people were so upside down on their loans they simply kept the prices high, because they couldn't afford to sell their "own" house. Either way, they were getting foreclosed on.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 7:56 am to
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Laughbly, even if you presume the same interest rate (it will be higher for a 50y), the "savings" amounts to $270/month.
For someone needing a 50yr to finance a $380K starter home, $270/m is probably a significant number.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 7:57 am to
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can find you a couple of years 2007-2009


The lowest of the iq always try and use this anomly

It never fails. Its SFPs go to also
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 7:57 am to
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Another dumbarse who thinks ppl.stay in 1 loan longer than 7yrs
:rotlflmao: Thanks for making my point.
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thinks paying front loaded interest to park principle.is building "equity"
As opposed to those loans where you pay all the intrest on the back end?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62618 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:00 am to
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For someone needing a 50yr to finance a $380K starter home, $270/m is probably a significant number.
Loaning money with an almost $1 million interest liability that doesn't have $270/month in float seems like a terrible idea to me

The reality is if you "need" a 50 year loan, you cannot afford what you're buying. Its just simple math.
This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 8:01 am
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:00 am to
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Thanks for making my point


You havent made any point. You just did your typical rant of stupid

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As opposed to those loans where you pay all the intrest on the back end? 


Its incdible
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:02 am to
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You havent made any point.
TWS.

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You just did your typical rant of stupid
As usual. You have insults. I have math.

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Its incdible
Indeed!
This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 8:03 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:08 am to
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meaning your $400K home is now worth like $750K and you created $350K in net worth.
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Not if you're paying $800k in interest.
Come on. You don't even believe what you're posting.

Assuming for simplicity not one penny to principal over the first 20% of a 50yr term, assuming the monthly notes approximate what would otherwise be paid for rent, assuming 10% down on a $400K home sold 10yrs later for $750K, ROI on the DP would be 875%.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:14 am to
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Come on. You don't even believe what you're posting.
I'd say the same about this...

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Assuming for simplicity not one penny to principal over the first 20% of a 50yr term, assuming the monthly notes approximate what would otherwise be paid for rent, assuming 10% down on a $400K home sold 10yrs later for $750K, ROI on the DP would be 875%.
If make that presumption for price inflation, why not make the same for assumption for what at 50 year mortgage rate will be? Anything will look good if you only look at one side of the deal.

Secondly, if that sort of price inflation exists in perpetuity, we *really* don't need 50 year mortgages.

This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 8:17 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:16 am to
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The reality is if you "need" a 50 year loan, you cannot afford what you're buying. Its just simple math.
That logic differentiates from a 30yr loan only insofar as we've grown accustomed to the 30yr.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93945 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:19 am to
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That logic differentiates from a 30yr loan only insofar as we've grown accustomed to the 30yr


Exactly. By their logic no one should own a home
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62618 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:21 am to
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That logic differentiates from a 30yr loan only insofar as we've grown accustomed to the 30yr.
Indeed, we've become habituated to debt. That's not an argument of merit, tho. The 30yr aligns better to working lifespan.

The idea that we need to work to make RE more affordable, while arguing that we should expect that prices should always rise is inherently conflicting.
This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 8:23 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:21 am to
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Assuming for simplicity not one penny to principal over the first 20% of a 50yr term, assuming the monthly notes approximate what would otherwise be paid for rent, assuming 10% down on a $400K home sold 10yrs later for $750K, ROI on the DP would be 875%.
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If make that presumption for price inflation, why not make the same for assumption for what at 50 year mortgage rate will be?

Enter that assumption into the equation.

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Secondly, if that sort of price inflation exists in perpetuity, we *really* don't need 50 year mortgages.
Not true if a first time buyer avoids purchase because he's concerned 30yr notes will leave him house poor.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:22 am to
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The 30yr aligns better to working lifespan.


Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62618 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:23 am to
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Exactly. By their logic no one should own a home
We have different definition of "own".
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