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re: Trump has been sounding the alarm

Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:56 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:56 am to
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Just trying to figure out how it is that only one of the two gets a free pass for the complimentary speak on China.
Are you?
Well, BAM let's make that easier for you.

For 25 straight years one of the two said China is ripping us off. One of the two forced China to the negotiating table, imposed tariffs, and complimented his Chinese negotiating counterpart.

The other said of China, "China is going to eat our lunch? Come on, man... you know, they’re not bad folks, folks. But guess what, they’re not, they’re not competition for us.”
Posted by MeetMeHalfway
Member since Apr 2020
14 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:12 am to
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Weird post, and fairly uninformed. Trump has been pretty damn consistent


What part of my post was uninformed?

I acknowledged that for years Trump has been a harsh critic of China. I even provided evidence of that.

Clearly, when I spoke of Trump's inconsistency, I was talking about Trump statements AFTER he became a politician, as compared to prior to his becoming a politician. Hence "once they become politicians".

The way someone speaks when they are a private citizen is different than when they are an elected official / politician. Once they become a politician, as both Trump and Biden are today, they become more political in their statements, as I evidenced with the quote from Trump that is highly political.

No doubt Trump has long been "sounding the alarm" on China. But he was not sounding the alarm on China in January ( at time when it most mattered ) but instead issuing statements saying he trusted China and had confidence in China's transparency. Sure, he sounded the alarm for years but all that was for naught because when we most needed him to sound the alarm he did not sound the alarm, instead issuing the opposite- don't worry, I trust China, great guy, that Xi.

I suspect that yourself and most on this board would have preferred that Trump instead said "Don't trust these effers as far as you can throw them! They will LIE about the virus and the danger of it. I'm not accepting anything they claim without verification."

Despite his long record of speaking straight-talk about China that pulled no punches, when it mattered most, he instead went political and blew smoke up China's rear. Maybe, it can be argued, he HAD to do that, because of politics. But the fact remains that he did it. He pulled the punches. Instead of the straight-talk we got politicized talk. And I find that relevant to discussion of his consistency on China. Consistent only up to a point.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135804 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:37 am to
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But he was not sounding the alarm on China in January ( at time when it most mattered ) but instead issuing statements saying he trusted China and had confidence in China's transparency. Sure, he sounded the alarm for years but all that was for naught because when we most needed him to sound the alarm he did not sound the alarm, instead issuing the opposite- don't worry, I trust China, great guy, that Xi.
Again, just a bizarre post.

We were desperately trying to get OUR healthcare workers access to Wuhan. Do you understand that? Do you not understand Trump getting in Xi's face would be cross-purposed with our needs at that point?

How could anyone be so incredibly naive as to think Trump actually believed China was "transparent" at a time when it refused to allow the WHO within 500 miles of the Pandemic epicenter, and refused to allow the CDC in country?
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