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re: Trump has approved two new battleships to be built

Posted on 12/23/25 at 4:19 pm to
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 4:19 pm to
It would be better if that money went to nuclear powered subs
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 5:15 pm to
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Unknown…


Unless we're going to pull Project MARAUDER out our asses - there is no "unknown" tech that's going to get slapped on a surface warfare vessel in the timeframe they're dreaming of.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37571 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 5:23 pm to
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So for clarity, the U.S. military should all new tech through you before implementing anything?

My assumption is that we would not allocate that type of funding for WW2 era battleships.

My assumption is that the U.S. military would like to be on the cutting edge of advanced technology.

My assumption is that one battleship in the Atlantic and one in the Pacific would be priceless in a geo-political sense IF it has next gen capabilities.
The question is whether concentrating enormous cost, people, and symbolism into a massive surface hull makes sense in a threat environment dominated by missiles, subs, sensors, and drones. Those constraints don’t disappear just because technology advances. In many cases, they get worse.

Why should the default assumption be that the tech must exist, rather than that it needs to be demonstrated before committing tens of billions of dollars and thousands of lives to it?

At what point does “IF it has next-gen capabilities” become something concrete enough to justify funding, instead of something you're asking me to imagine into existence?

Because if the government is asking the public to pay for an 11-figure program per ship, isn’t the burden on them to justify the cost, rather than on the public to invent reasons for them why it might be a good idea?

I’m not arguing the military shouldn’t pursue advanced technology. I’m arguing that concentrating enormous cost, personnel, and symbolism into a massive surface platform requires justification that goes beyond “trust us, bro, it’s gonna be super cutting edge.”

If there are defined capabilities that overturn the known vulnerabilities of large hulls, what are they? And if they can’t be articulated publicly at even a conceptual level, why should “priceless if next-gen maybe” be enough to proceed?

Asking those questions isn’t skepticism. It’s basic due diligence.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42266 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 6:44 pm to
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there is no "unknown" tech that's going to get slapped on a surface warfare vessel in the timeframe they're dreaming of.


You may very well be correct.

Time will tell.
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