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Posted on 2/25/19 at 9:06 am to Parmen
You should look up where NN is now. The FCC got reamed in court a few weeks ago (oral arguments Feb 1st). ISPs have no reason to make the kind of changes people are afraid of yet for a few reasons:
1) PR disaster which would/could supply ammo to their opposition when it comes to ongoing litigation
2) If Trump were to lose in 2020 the dems could put their own people in the FCC and reverse the decision
3) Uncertainty regarding the legality of state-specific net neutrality laws E.g. When the FCC repealed the net neutrality rules, it also stripped itself of authority to prevent states from imposing their own NN rules
4) FCC was required to take into account public safety in their decision but failed to do so. Personally I think this is an underwhelming item but it will play a role
1) PR disaster which would/could supply ammo to their opposition when it comes to ongoing litigation
2) If Trump were to lose in 2020 the dems could put their own people in the FCC and reverse the decision
3) Uncertainty regarding the legality of state-specific net neutrality laws E.g. When the FCC repealed the net neutrality rules, it also stripped itself of authority to prevent states from imposing their own NN rules
4) FCC was required to take into account public safety in their decision but failed to do so. Personally I think this is an underwhelming item but it will play a role
This post was edited on 2/25/19 at 9:14 am
Posted on 2/25/19 at 9:12 am to bmy
OMlandshark said kids college funds were going to be depleted cause of NN
10k a mnth he said
10k a mnth he said
Posted on 2/25/19 at 11:29 am to weptiger
quote:No, I didn't think of that at all. Because I don't a persecution complex like most all of you Trumpers do.
Works for you guys and everything the Trump administration puts forth. Surely, you could see the hypocrisy of your statement before posting it.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 11:55 am to AUsteriskPride
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Looking through that thread, saw olddawg26, he hasn't posted since September. We might have lost one.
He's one of the millions who died because Trump got rid of NN
Posted on 2/25/19 at 12:00 pm to bmy
quote:
) Uncertainty regarding the legality of state-specific net neutrality laws E.g. When the FCC repealed the net neutrality rules, it also stripped itself of authority to prevent states from imposing their own NN rules
NN-ish rules have been around for a long time at the state and county level for most places. That's why most of you complain about lack of choice of ISPs. My county is lax on it, and it is great. No good ole boy network in government to prevent competition. Cross the county line a couple miles away, and it's a different story.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 3:45 pm to SoulGlo
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NN-ish rules have been around for a long time at the state and county level for most places. That's why most of you complain about lack of choice of ISPs. My county is lax on it, and it is great. No good ole boy network in government to prevent competition. Cross the county line a couple miles away, and it's a different story.
You are talking about infrastructure and not about how they treat data (which is what NN is all about)
Posted on 2/25/19 at 6:26 pm to bmy
Regulating ISPs under title II allows for the same problem, only on a national scale. frick that noise.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 10:57 pm to SoulGlo
I’m guessing you don’t even know why the title II provision came into application here....
It wasn’t a power hungry fed government.
A number of big national ISPs were in a lawsuit with the FTC.
The cournerstone of Comcast’s chosen defense was: we don’t have to justify our actions to you, we aren’t part of the free market! We are a utility!
So, when they got off on that, the FCC came in and used regulation associated with utilities.....exactly how they had previously argued in court.
It wasn’t a power hungry fed government.
A number of big national ISPs were in a lawsuit with the FTC.
The cournerstone of Comcast’s chosen defense was: we don’t have to justify our actions to you, we aren’t part of the free market! We are a utility!
So, when they got off on that, the FCC came in and used regulation associated with utilities.....exactly how they had previously argued in court.
This post was edited on 2/25/19 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 2/26/19 at 12:07 am to Volvagia
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I’m guessing you don’t even know why the title II provision came into application here....
It wasn’t a power hungry fed government.
A number of big national ISPs were in a lawsuit with the FTC.
The cournerstone of Comcast’s chosen defense was: we don’t have to justify our actions to you, we aren’t part of the free market! We are a utility!
So, when they got off on that, the FCC came in and used regulation associated with utilities.....exactly how they had previously argued in court.
Yeah, I do.
Kinda like the Obama Admin arguing "not a tax" then "it's a tax" then "not a tax" then ruled "it's a tax" by Roberts.
It doesn't matter why. NN is bullshite, and going with Title II is terrible. It would cause the hypothetical you want to avoid to become reality due to less competition. No thanks.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 5:23 am to SoulGlo
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It would cause the hypothetical you want to avoid to become reality due to less competition.
How does treating all data throughput the same affect competition?
Posted on 2/26/19 at 8:57 am to Parmen
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My internet has gotten cheaper and faster!
Mine has added tiered data limits and increased the costs and has not increased speeds.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 9:04 am to Volvagia
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How does treating all data throughput the same affect competition?
Putting that data under federal control will.
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