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Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/13/16 at 8:37 pm to
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And frankly, his conclusions suffer from the same problems as the global warming proponents: he's made definitive claims of causation in a complex system.


We didn't get that deep into the exact causes. I would assume he was referring to how subsurface volcanic activity affects ocean currents and temperatures. Ocean temperatures greatly affect snowfall and other forms of precipitation that control the rate at which glaciers melt. As I said though, I didn't ask for a detailed scientific explanation. I would think that most geologists would see the greater impact that the earth's composition has on itself versus what we can control.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35377 posts
Posted on 12/13/16 at 8:47 pm to
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I would think that most geologists would see the greater impact that the earth's composition has on itself versus what we can control.
And the sun is more signicant than the atmosphere and the earth itself..

My point is that atmospheric science researchers arguing that the atmospheric changes are the main causal factors and geologists arguing that geology is the main causal factors both suffer from bias of self-interest and simplify a complex system and infer causation in line with their self-interests.

Poor scientific reasoning shouldn't be countered with socially poor scientific reasoning.
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
3908 posts
Posted on 12/13/16 at 9:10 pm to
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Poor scientific reasoning shouldn't be countered with socially poor scientific reasoning.


I agree with you and I probably didn't do a good job representing what he was stating. He was giving me other things that affect the earth's climate. One cannot be controlled by man, the deforesting can be controlled by man. He absolutely believes the narrative being pushed by politicians and funded academia now is financially driven versus being based on sound science. There was no doubt in his skeptism about that.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 12/13/16 at 9:17 pm to
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Is there anything to back up your claim that he is a progressive other than his stance on climate change


His pushing of social issues. Read up on him. If Obama nominated this guy, people on the right would go nuts.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35377 posts
Posted on 12/13/16 at 10:12 pm to
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I agree with you and I probably didn't do a good job representing what he was stating. He was giving me other things that affect the earth's climate. One cannot be controlled by man, the deforesting can be controlled by man. He absolutely believes the narrative being pushed by politicians and funded academia now is financially driven versus being based on sound science. There was no doubt in his skeptism about that.
Well this makes much more sense, and a much more logical analysis.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
20089 posts
Posted on 12/13/16 at 11:25 pm to
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Oh Lawd !


He's making a point about people who don't believe humans have the capability to alter climate.
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