Started By
Message

re: Tom Homan: “As a Catholic, I think they need to spend time fixing the Catholic Church."

Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14820 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

But don’t think Jesus said “bring the little children to me “ in the way the pedophile priests meant it nor those that covered it up for thousands of years.



yeah people can be bad. No priest is infallible. No collection of men is infallible.

Posted by BHTiger
Charleston
Member since Dec 2017
8490 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

Ok, has Osteen, Haggee, Kenneth Copeland sold all their things?

That is like saying all preist are bad due to the ones that are child molesters.

Those false preachers are horrible for the message of Jesus but they are not the normal.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
2695 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

The Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus Christ.


The Catholic Church swung deals allowing Hitler to take power.
Posted by BluegrassCardinal
Kentucky
Member since Nov 2022
1761 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

Oh really. Then who do YOU think we follow?


We're supposed to follow Pastor Skinny Jeans and his new church down at the strip mall. They got some killer rock bands and cool fog machines.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14820 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

That is like saying all preist are bad due to the ones that are child molesters.

Those false preachers are horrible for the message of Jesus but they are not the normal.


All of the prosperity gospel preachers are pretty evil

All those people suckered out of their money
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38632 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:25 pm to
quote:



alright, so let's say you do this. You get baptized.

Then you commit manslaughter, or sleep with another women/divorce your wife. Or you steal something.

Are you just good to go because you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior?

Just close your eyes and say forgive me Jesus and it's all good? (it could be if you showed perfect contrition for your sins...this is also a Catholic belief, but for us the safest way is through the Sacraments of Reconciliation/Penance.)


There is a difference between asking for a blind eye and asking for forgiveness. What you are kind of describing here is more so asking for a blind eye. And no, a blind eye will not be given. This person is not "saved".

However, just because you commit such a sin or have done such things in your life does not mean you can't be forgiven. If you understand that you did wrong, that you won't/wouldn't do it again and you have actually changed your way - then that is to ask for forgiveness, and it will be given. Because in the end, that's all God really asks of us. To fix our mistake, atone for our sins, or whatever you want to call it.

This is no different than a parent and their child. Your kids are going to do wrong, it will happen. You don't just kill them for it and say - well they weren't perfect, let's try again. You punish them for the purpose of bringing change in them, but all you ever want is for them to fix those mistakes and not make them again in the future. And when they do those things, you will forgive them.

Thus if you keep the commandments, then you will be forgiven. Jesus is an example/teacher of how to keep them properly.

Quite a bit different than than strapping a cross around your neck and saying Praise Jesus, I'm saved!
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68474 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

Oh really. Then who do YOU think we follow?

The Pope and the benjamins
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5363 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

Oh really. Then who do YOU think we follow?


Jesus

You can be Catholic and follow Jesus. What building you go for worship doesn't matter. Just a genuine relationship with Jesus is all that matters.
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 1:26 pm
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5363 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

Thus if you keep the commandments, then you will be forgiven


This isn't what Jesus preached at all.

Jesus preached that we are all sinners and fall short. That only by a faith and relationship with him may we be absolved of our sins by his perfect life, death, and ressurection.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14820 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

However, just because you commit such a sin or have done such things in your life does not mean you can't be forgiven. If you understand that you did wrong, that you won't/wouldn't do it again and you have actually changed your way - then that is to ask for forgiveness, and it will be given. Because in the end, that's all God really asks of us. To fix our mistake, atone for our sins, or whatever you want to call it.


Correct, Catholics do believe in perfect/imperfect contrition. It's a valid form for the forgiveness of sins. However, the only surefire way of being cleansed of sins is via Confession. However, even in Confession one needs to express the things that you mention here.

quote:

Thus if you keep the commandments, then you will be forgiven. Jesus is an example/teacher of how to keep them properly.


Keeping the commandments is definitely a way to live a holy life, but why not take part in the sacraments taught and given to us by our Lord Jesus Christ? (Of course others will argue difference between sacraments and some other word I can't remember right now as I'm not Protestant).
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5363 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

Keeping the commandments is definitely a way to live a holy life


We can try our best to keep them but we will fail. All fail. WE can only be seen as sinless by God by the blood of Jesus. More him less us.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
37212 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

Say something bad about the Baptist church.
Once saved always saved.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38632 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:35 pm to
quote:


This isn't what Jesus preached at all.

Jesus preached that we are all sinners and fall short. That only by a faith and relationship with him may we be absolved of our sins by his perfect life, death, and ressurection.


Ok, so why didn't he tell the rich man that? When the rich man asked, Jesus told him it was harder to get a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man into Heaven. He told the rich man he must follow him(to follow Jesus is to keep the commandments).

Why didn't he tell the rich man - don't worry, just live long enough for me to die, then you can just worship my death.

In John 14 Jesus says - those who believe in him will do as he does and they will do even greater things. But you claim this is impossible.

The church however will tell that same rich man - just give us some money, believe I died for your sins, and all is forgiven.

Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
46571 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

Tom Homan reacts to Catholic Bishops on immigration: "I'm saying it not only as the Border Czar, I'll say it as a Catholic, I think they need to spend time fixing the Catholic Church."


I'm not a Catholic, but somebody has needed to say this for a long, long time.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38632 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:37 pm to
quote:


We can try our best to keep them but we will fail. All fail. WE can only be seen as sinless by God by the blood of Jesus. More him less us.


We all fail during our lives.

The idea you can't learn and eventually live a life without it is complete bullshite.

The actual commandments aren't that hard to keep. The laws of man are however impossible.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5363 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

Ok, so why didn't he tell the rich man that? When the rich man asked, Jesus told him it was harder to get a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man into Heaven. He told the rich man he must follow him(to follow Jesus is to keep the commandments).


False. Jesus telling the man to follow him is telling him to have a relationship with him. Of course we need to try to keep the commandments. BUT WE CAN'T.

Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
20032 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

The Catholic Church is not the religion of following Jesus.


I mean, they’re one of them.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5363 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

The actual commandments aren't that hard to keep.


This is extremely ignorant. Only one person has ever kept them. Jesus.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38632 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:43 pm to
quote:


Correct, Catholics do believe in perfect/imperfect contrition. It's a valid form for the forgiveness of sins. However, the only surefire way of being cleansed of sins is via Confession. However, even in Confession one needs to express the things that you mention here.



God is within. You are just talking about things you've created to replace God. And confession was just an intel gathering operation for further use of blackmail and so forth.

quote:


Keeping the commandments is definitely a way to live a holy life, but why not take part in the sacraments taught and given to us by our Lord Jesus Christ? (Of course others will argue difference between sacraments and some other word I can't remember right now as I'm not Protestant).


Because everything you say is bullshite. Traditions and ceremonies that are just there to replace real things and to prevent the people from gaining real understanding. To replace God.

Do you know why Idol worship is bad? Because you replace the understanding with the symbolism and soon enough you're worshiping the symbolism with no care for the understanding.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38632 posts
Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:47 pm to
quote:


This is extremely ignorant. Only one person has ever kept them. Jesus.


Again, John 14.

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


Jump to page
Page First 2 3 4 5 6 ... 11
Jump to page
first pageprev pagePage 4 of 11Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram