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re: The True History of the Jonestown Cult, WWII, and How Winston Churchill Ruined Europe

Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:30 pm to
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:30 pm to
You’re right, I was referring to the start of the blitz, which was the real escalation from the Germans

But I still think peace was achievable, and again Britain had nothing to bargain with in the first place
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:31 pm to
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So proud of TC to have Darryl on his podcast. Love more and more people are waking up to the realization so much of what you’ve been told about the last 100 years historically is fake and gay. it’s way past time the history brokers who’ve controlled the narratives get exposed as the frauds they are.


Posted by dafif
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:39 pm to
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Why did Churchill himself write about the war and refer to it as “the unnecessary war” after the fact?

Churchill’s statements are why Pat Buchanan named his book Churchill, Hitler, and “The Unnecessary War”


Churchill's reference had to do with his objection to Chamberlin and acquiescence
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:39 pm to
Here’s a full thread specific to Churchill from none other than Darryl Cooper

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Here is the unrolled link for the entire thread

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Posted by Figgy
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:39 pm to
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But I still think peace was achievable, and again Britain had nothing to bargain with in the first place


You don’t negotiate with evil. You fight it and defeat it.
Posted by JoeHackett
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:40 pm to
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Britain had nothing to bargain with in the first place


What does this mean? If they were defeated then they wouldn't have had a choice but they weren't defeated. They still had the largest empire the world had ever seen, the most powerful navy the world had ever seen and a desire to fight.

By the way Hitler declared war on the US. You said

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we should have never been in the war


We weren't in the war until then. The fact that Churchill refused to surrender the British Empire because you think Hitler would have given them good terms on their surrender isn't Churchill dragging us to war.

Don't start none, won't be none - doesn't translate to German I guess.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:43 pm to
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Churchill was an opportunist and war monger. The Tiny Hats cartel bankers funded both sides of the war. The version of history that we were taught is pretty much BS across the board.


Seriously, give me an interpretation of when Hitler would have stopped?

In studying WWII there is no satisfactory explanation of Hitler just deciding not to take more territory. Its not like there arent a million places to look to confirm this.
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:46 pm to
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Seriously, give me an interpretation of when Hitler would have stopped?

In studying WWII there is no satisfactory explanation of Hitler just deciding not to take more territory. Its not like there arent a million places to look to confirm this.


And running this to its logical conclusion is that Britain should have simply sat back on the other side of the Channel until Hitler conquers the mainland and then invaded the Isles? Why not fight the rabid dog in his cities instead of yours?

Hitler broke Molotov-Ribbentrop by June 1941 and invaded an explicit ally yet Churchill was supposed to think he wasn’t eventually coming for GB?
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 7:50 pm
Posted by JoeHackett
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:48 pm to
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You don’t negotiate with evil. You fight it and defeat it.



Quite a few of them don't think Hitler was evil. There's a growing theory, often promoted by Candace Owens and plenty of others, that Hitler was actually trying to save Europe or Christianity or he was just trying to defeat Communism.

The theory is that the Communists were Jews and therefore the real enemy of the West. That's the whole point of that interview. We fought on the side of the Jews, we won a victory for the Jews, they then flooded our countries with the third world. So whoever decided that we should fight for the Jewish side is the real villain of WW2.
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:52 pm to
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Quite a few of them don't think Hitler was evil. There's a growing theory, often promoted by Candace Owens and plenty of others, that Hitler was actually trying to save Europe or Christianity or he was just trying to defeat Communism.

The theory is that the Communists were Jews and therefore the real enemy of the West. That's the whole point of that interview. We fought on the side of the Jews, we won a victory for the Jews, they then flooded our countries with the third world. So whoever decided that we should fight for the Jewish side is the real villain of WW2.


Auschwitz had a swimming pool. Everything you know is a lie!
Posted by JoeHackett
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:54 pm to
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Hitler broke Molotov-Ribbentrop by June 1941 and invaded an explicit ally yet Churchill was supposed to think he wasn’t eventually coming for GB?



Not to mention the Axis element of the war. If Churchill just sits on his hands and waits by the time Germany starts their invasion of Great Britain, he most likely wouldn't have had the empire to help defend.

The Italians were moving through Africa, Germany had their eyes on the Middle East and the Japanese were taking as much of Asia as possible.

The UK without India, Australia, the Suez, Oil from the ME... He had no choice but to fight while the empire could actually put up a fight.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:59 pm to
The problem is that you’re not being honest

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His point is still wrong. The people who worship Hitler love the way London is now.


A German ethno nationalist who said that Germans had become second class citizens in their own country?

The people who like him would love modern England?

That’s laughable, and no one is going to take you seriously if you make claims like that
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 8:07 pm
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:01 pm to
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His point is still wrong. The people who worship Hitler love the way London is now.


A German ethno nationalist who said that Germans had become second class citizens in their own country?

He would love modern England?

That’s laughable, and no one is going to take you seriously if you make claims like that


You feel he said something very different from what he actually said.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:03 pm to
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Not to mention the Axis element of the war. If Churchill just sits on his hands and waits by the time Germany starts their invasion of Great Britain, he most likely wouldn't have had the empire to help defend.


Except Hitler continued to call for peace

You know why we don’t know the terms? Because Churchill wouldn’t hear them

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The Italians were moving through Africa, Germany had their eyes on the Middle East and the Japanese were taking as much of Asia as possible.

The UK without India, Australia, the Suez, Oil from the ME... He had no choice but to fight while the empire could actually put up a fight.


And whose problem was that? The British who declared war in the first place?

What was the result of their heroic stand? Oh yeah, they bankrupted their country and lost all those territories anyway.

And keep in mind you are making this argument claiming the British empire was a good thing. Why should we of all counties give a shite about their empire?
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:06 pm to
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Seriously, give me an interpretation of when Hitler would have stopped?

In studying WWII there is no satisfactory explanation of Hitler just deciding not to take more territory. Its not like there arent a million places to look to confirm this.


Pretty sure Max Hastings, a respected historian, has said that Hitler had little real animosity towards the British and likely would have gladly accepted a peace with them as his designs were on Russia.

I know I have read it in more than one book and no one seemed to think that was an outlandish statement. It's been well understood for years that Churchill was playing to get the US involved. That's no conspiracy theory.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:08 pm to
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Pretty sure Max Hastings, a respected historian, has said that Hitler had little real animosity towards the British and likely would have gladly accepted a peace with them as his designs were on Russia.


I think that’s accepted wisdom, and why supposedly the British weren’t destroyed at Dunkirk.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:13 pm to
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Pretty sure Max Hastings, a respected historian, has said that Hitler had little real animosity towards the British and likely would have gladly accepted a peace with them as his designs were on Russia. I know I have read it in more than one book and no one seemed to think that was an outlandish statement. It's been well understood for years that Churchill was playing to get the US involved. That's no conspiracy theory.


So hitler takes poland and says that's it then takes Austria and says that's it. Than takes Czechoslovakia and say that's iit. Then moves to Norway and Denmark and says that's it

Then: Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and France: Germany overran these countries in May 1940,

But sign a peace deal Britain because we really want Russia.. sure
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:15 pm to
It's called protecting your backside.

Germany had no way to invade England and England did not have the ability to invade the Continent.

Do you really think the Soviets were not Hitler's main objective?
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 8:17 pm
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:26 pm to
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You know, Germany, look, they put themselves into a position in Adolf Hitler’s chiefly responsible for this, but his whole regime is responsible for it, that when they went into the east in 1941, they launched a war where they were completely unprepared to deal with the millions and millions of prisoners of war, of local political prisoners, and so forth that they were going to have to handle. They went in with no plan for that and they just threw these people into camps. And millions of people ended up dead there. You know, you have, you have like letters as early as July, August 1941 from commandants of these makeshift camps that they’re setting up for these millions of people who were surrendering or people they’re rounding up and they’re- so it’s two months after, a month or two after Barbarossa was launched, and they’re writing back to the high command in Berlin saying, “We can’t feed these people, we don’t have the food to feed these people.” And one of them actually says ‘Rather than wait for them all to slowly starve this winter, wouldn’t it be more humane to just finish them off quickly now?”


Give the man credit. He just yada yada yada’d over the Holocaust.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:30 pm to
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Give the man credit. He just yada yada yada’d over the Holocaust.


He did indeed. I've listened to alot of it but not everything yet. I did however hear that part. It was almost as if he wanted to say that for practical reasons, the holocaust just made sense.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 8:31 pm
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