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Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:49 pm to AggieHank86
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Me, for one.
You're not representative of the movement.
The vast majority of pro-choice individuals support taxpayer-funded abortions.
That isn't in line with your statement that abortion is how they're accepting responsibility for their actions. You're literally arguing that the effort they're putting into avoiding the responsibility of a pregnancy is actually taking responsibility for their pregnancy.
How Orwellian...
Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:51 pm to Mellow Drama
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They used to say "pro child, pro family, pro choice."
Now they "shout their abortion."
These are the same statements imo.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:58 pm to Azkiger
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It takes some very impressive mental gymnastics to suggest the effort exerted to avoid responsibility is actually accepting responsibility...
Putting a child up for adoption or abandoning it is also avoiding responsibility, yet the same fervorous opposition to those doesn't exist.
Don't pretend that it's really just about personal accountability after all.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:02 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:She was at one point. So were you.
My mother also isn't a zygote.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Putting a child up for adoption or abandoning it is also avoiding responsibility...
Yep.
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...yet the same fervorous opposition to those doesn't exist.
I'd argue there is significant opposition to the latter. But with respect to the former, while such an event is avoiding responsibility the lack of equal outcry probably comes from the fact that you're not killing a person in order to avoid responsibility.
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Don't pretend that it's really just about personal accountability after all.
No, it's not about that. It's about conserving life. That's why the pro-life political stance is pro-life and not pro-personal responsibility.
That said, I'm still going to point out the absurdity that the effort you put into avoiding responsibility is actually accepting responsibility - whatever the context.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:06 pm to llfshoals
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She was at one point. So were you.
And now we aren't.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:09 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I gotta say. I really enjoy your posts. You are a master of getting posters to play the game. Me included. I love it. Clearly you’re very smart and you enjoy this. I enjoy watching. 
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:14 pm to Azkiger
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I'd argue there is significant opposition to the latter.
Sure, but there isn't a push for legislation to force nuclear families.
Keep the argument where it belongs. It's about abortion, not personal responsibility.
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you're not killing a person in order to avoid responsibility
You aren't with an abortion, either, unless you're talking about late-term.
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It's about conserving life.
No, it isn't. It's about forcing personal morality on others.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:17 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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DisplacedBuckeye and FaggieHank
Omg I eat things that were once alive so I don't care about life... how vapid and ignorant can you be?
Let us put aside the fact that God specifically gave us dominion over the animals (and plants) of the Earth... I feel no shame in admitting that I have cried as I held one of my two week old baby goats as it died. Or that my daily schedule in many ways revolves around caring for my chickens, livestock, and small garden.
In fact, much of the reason I live where I do and how I do is so my daughter can grow up with an understanding of what life and death means, and being a caretaker of God's creation.
When I'm eating the eggs laid by my chickens and eating the meat from an animal I butchered with my own hands, I can promise you, with no doubt, that I value that life and appreciate the sacrifice of my animals far more than anyone who believes "abortion is ok" could ever comprehend.
All life is meaningful and serves purpose.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:18 pm to Ag Zwin
From a completely partial view, if they wouldn’t have been this brazen, braggy, and pushing the limit over the last few years, Roe would still be law and nothing would have changed regarding abortions.
But they tried so hard to push it to the extreme they don’t get jack shite now.
But they tried so hard to push it to the extreme they don’t get jack shite now.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:20 pm to EKG
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I know when life begins.
When did the "life begins" conversation get injected into the abortion discussion?
When do you remember first hearing about it?
What was your rational for being anti-abortion prior to that time?
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:22 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sure, but there isn't a push for legislation to force nuclear families.
Keep the argument where it belongs. It's about abortion, not personal responsibility.
Who are you arguing against? The post you just quoted, my post, agreed that this isn't about personal responsibility.
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You aren't with an abortion, either, unless you're talking about late-term.
That all depends on how you define a person, though.
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No, it isn't. It's about forcing personal morality on others.
So long as you ignore the honestly held beliefs of pro-lifers who believe that a person is created at conception, sure you can make that claim.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:22 pm to BengalOnTheBay
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Omg I eat things that were once alive so I don't care about life...
You missed a couple of the other points I made, but yes, I'd say there is life that you care less about than other life.
You don't agree with that?
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Let us put aside the fact that God specifically gave us dominion over the animals (and plants) of the Earth...
Please do. That might hold some value to you, but it's entirely meaningless to me.
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, I can promise you, with no doubt, that I value that life and appreciate the sacrifice of my animals far more than anyone who believes "abortion is ok" could ever comprehend.
Oh boy, I'd take that bet without hesitation.
And there's a difference between "abortion is OK" and "abortion should be legal."
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:22 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's about conserving life.
No, it isn't. It's about forcing personal morality on others.
That’s the point whereby the two sides will never meet.
In truth, it’s about both.
One side doesn’t want to conserve life, whilst the other won’t cease trying to force morality.
Unless both sides recognize and accept the wisdom of the recent SCOTUS decision (e.g., let the states decide), it’s an insurmountable ideological gap.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:22 pm to BBONDS25
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I gotta say. I really enjoy your posts. You are a master of getting posters to play the game. Me included. I love it. Clearly you’re very smart and you enjoy this. I enjoy watching.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:25 pm to BBONDS25
He’s definitely a pro of never answering a question. It’s fun to watch people get sucked in for sure. Over and over.
In before “I answer the questions you just don’t understand or like the answers “.
In before “I answer the questions you just don’t understand or like the answers “.
This post was edited on 9/29/22 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:28 pm to EKG
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One side doesn’t want to conserve life, whilst the other won’t cease trying to force morality.
Would we classify murder prohibitions as "forcing morality"? If so, then that's a fair description. If not, then it's not a fair description.
It's down to a disagreement on a definition.
Different people have different definitions of when a person is created.
Some people believe it's at conception, some that it's after being born, and some others are somewhere in-between. That explains the various proposed policies on this issue. They all spawn from different definitions, different views on reality.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:29 pm to Azkiger
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Who are you arguing against?
It's a discussion forum...so everyone, I suppose.
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That all depends on how you define a person, though.
Indeed. I don't know anyone worth listening to who would consider a zygote or an embryo a person.
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So long as you ignore the honestly held beliefs of pro-lifers who believe that a person is created at conception, sure you can make that claim.
And what tells them that it's wrong from conception?
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:32 pm to BengalOnTheBay
quote:Why should your creation myth play any role in my views regarding abortion… Or any other issue?
Let us put aside the fact that God specifically gave us dominion over the animals (and plants) of the Earth...
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