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re: The next time a pro-abortion zealot denies that status, show them this.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:03 pm to llfshoals
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:03 pm to llfshoals
Again with the supposition that biology aloe can (or “should”) be the determining factor in the vesting of legal rights. NOTHING in the mere membership in the human species DICTATES that rights should vest in a given organism. That is a philosophical question, and good people can have differing opinions on philosophical questions.
You seem to think that biology confers rights. Good for you. Many disagree.
You seem to think that biology confers rights. Good for you. Many disagree.
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Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:03 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Seriously, you’re simply reinforcing your point that to casually kill a human being, just define them as a non-person.
That's why you say things like "killing babies" when referring to aborting a zygote or embryo.
Now where oh where have we heard that…..
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:03 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
It isn't about grammar. Words have meaning if you want useful discussion. You've specifically framed your argument, even if unintentionally, that personhood begins immediately at conception.
It doesn't, and there's your gap.
We are talking about killing a human. You and your stupid personhood argument... geez.
You can't refute abortion is taking a life.
You can't refute that abortion is taking a human life.
You are fine with it. I hope that one day you will see the light.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:05 pm to llfshoals
quote:
Seriously, you’re simply reinforcing your point that to casually kill a human being, just define them as a non-person.
There's nothing casual about it.
That doesn't mean aborting an embryo is the same as murdering a toddler.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:07 pm to omegaman66
quote:
You can't refute that abortion is taking a human life.
I don't need to do that.
You believe an embryo and a toddler are equivalent.
I do not. At least I'm consistent.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:08 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
You are the one playing games with words. Embryo rather than baby so killing sounds better. Baby killer
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:09 pm to dinosaur
quote:
You are the one playing games with words. Embryo rather than baby so killing sounds better. Baby killer
You don't know the difference between an embryo and a baby? It isn't just different words, in case no one has ever told you that before.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:09 pm to EKG
quote:
Then DON’T. HAVE. SEX.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:10 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
That doesn't mean aborting an embryo is the same as murdering a toddler.
Both are taking a human life.
Guess what. Just because YOU are OK with killing some people doesn't make it right or ok.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:10 pm to texridder
quote:
I think it's compelling that none of you anti-abortion screamers seem to be aware of the fact that the anti- abortion movement in the U.S. was started as the result of a political ploy by Republicans, and supported by Evangelicals -- to get Reagan elected.
I couldn’t GAF what anyone else’s thoughts were/are; I know when life begins.
Call abortion what it is: murder. Don’t hide. Don’t dance around it.
If some states are ok with allowing murder, that’s on them; but I choose to live in a state where babies’ lives are celebrated, not slaughtered.
We disagree. End of discussion.
This post was edited on 9/29/22 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:11 pm to AggieHank86
quote:And that’s an argument that can be had.
You seem to think that biology confers rights. Good for you. Many disagree.
Mine is simple, member of the species. I don’t quibble about sex, race, etc.
Everything else is trying to ascribe value (or not) on some characteristic’s.
Where I see the problem with the latter (even though you might find I agree with you about some of that), the problem arises from the inevitable progression that follows the moment you accept that principle.
Who decides what that standard will be? You’ll have to admit historically those decisions aren’t made by the best of us, but by the worst.
Think that will change? You have much more faith in humanity than I if so.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:14 pm to dinosaur
quote:Gamete
You are the one playing games with words. Embryo rather than baby so killing sounds better.
Zygote
Blastocyst
Embryo
Fetus
Newborn
Infant
Toddler
Prepubescent
Adolescent
Adult
Those are the specific stages of human development. “Baby” is a generic, imprecise term that can apply to several of those stages, individually or collectively, depending upon the subjective intent of the speaker.
In this case, you have chosen to use the imprecise term, rather than the specific, because you WANT to blur the lines.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:15 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
You believe an embryo and a toddler are equivalent.
That isn’t the point.
No intelligent human believes the two are equal, in terms of development.
I enjoy reading your thoughts, but I’m not sure why you’re going with this particular red herring in terms of arguing what is/isn’t life.
I’d never attempt to convince you to think as you don’t; but you’re misrepresenting the issue.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
don't assign special value to "life."
Looks like to assign no value.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:They are. Each is an individual member of the species.
You believe an embryo and a toddler are equivalent. I do not. At least I'm consistent.
You are consistent about your belief they should get to live based on another human being’s decision to kill them, or not.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:18 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Well done.
In this case, you have chosen to use the imprecise term, rather than the specific, because you WANT to blur the lines.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:19 pm to EKG
quote:I doubt you are doing this intentionally, because I have never seen you argue in bad faith, but no THOUGHTFUL supporter of abortion rights will claim that a blastocyst or embryo is not technically alive. Many misuse the term “life” as shorthand for the point at which legal rights do/should begin to vest.
arguing what is/isn’t life.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:21 pm to AggieHank86
Fair point.
The issue is at what stage of life some are comfortable with ending it.
It’s a brutal decision, I’d think.
But the premise of claiming a fertilized egg isn’t human life is disingenuous.
The issue is at what stage of life some are comfortable with ending it.
It’s a brutal decision, I’d think.
But the premise of claiming a fertilized egg isn’t human life is disingenuous.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:21 pm to EKG
quote:He has to. The moment you address it specifically his argument falls apart.
I’d never attempt to convince you to think as you don’t; but you’re misrepresenting the issue.
Development has no bearing on being a member of the species. It’s being used in his case to ascribe value (or lack thereof) to individuals.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:23 pm to AggieHank86
quote:You’re on point tonight Hank.
Many misuse the term “life” as shorthand for the point at which legal rights do/should begin to vest.
Once you start that discussion though, where does it end? History is replete with examples of it going badly.
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