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re: The Mythical Party Switch: When was that?
Posted on 6/20/19 at 1:46 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 6/20/19 at 1:46 pm to ShortyRob
You’re leaving out a lot about the new deal, it’s funny how you embrace so many externalities in picking apart Volods point but disregard them when it comes to your own.
Specifically, 1930s, not exactly a great time economically. Speaking of people voting w their wallet, check out the 36 election and try and tell me only democrats supported the new deal.
My point, lifting up the new deal as an argument that the parties haven’t shifted/switched/flipped whatever, is deeply flawed.
Specifically, 1930s, not exactly a great time economically. Speaking of people voting w their wallet, check out the 36 election and try and tell me only democrats supported the new deal.
My point, lifting up the new deal as an argument that the parties haven’t shifted/switched/flipped whatever, is deeply flawed.
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:02 pm to mwade91383
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My point, lifting up the new deal as an argument that the parties haven’t shifted/switched/flipped whatever, is deeply flawed.
The 1936 election honestly proves that party systems mean nothing in lieu of a national crisis that hurts average Joe.
I'm trying to get ShortyRob to see that political identity, cultural identity and economic identity are 3 mutually exclusive phases.
Cultural norms arent changing because you decide to vote Red instead of Blue. That's what race problems have always been.
Economics have switched repetitively across both parties since the country was founded. Yes people do vote their wallets, but it's not just public vs private.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:20 pm to volod
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That would mean that white Southerners (who voted overwhelmingly in favor of segregationists) shifted to being pro-Civil Rights in only 10 years??
Let's talk about this, then.
1948 - Dixiecrats (who ALL died Democrats, except Thurmond, Helms and Godwin) led a third party in the Presidential race that carried 39 electoral votes and supermajorities in Mississippi, Alabama and South Carolina (and a near majority in Louisiana).
By 1968, what was left of the Dixiecrat movement improved slightly on the electoral total (46), added 2 states (Georgia, Arkansas) and lost a state (SC).
But, looking deeper, retained a supermajority only in Alabama (where the Governor was the candidate).
So, what happened with the appeal to racism in the South?
Wallace ran LAST in Texas(Humphrey won) and Florida (Nixon). He didn't edge Humphrey for second place in the Carolinas by 3 full points in each. In Virginia he didn't crack 25%.
So, the argument next is 1972 - where Nixon won everywhere. If you buy into the argument that Nixon appealed to racists in 1972 and they carried him to sweeping the South, then you must then admit they did not change their voter registration, for sure, and THEN THEY ALL VOTED FOR CARTER IN 1976 AND 2/3 OF THEM VOTED FOR CLINTON IN 1992.
Nonsense. Unsupportable nonsense based on a couple of memos and an idea that Steve Atwater may or may not have had back in the day or made up as he got older.
The South became MORE Republican as it got LESS racist.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:46 pm to volod
Democratic Party Platform
June 27, 1932.
We believe that a party platform is a covenant with the people to have [sic] faithfully kept by the party when entrusted with power, and that the people are entitled to know in plain words the terms of the contract to which they are asked to subscribe. We hereby declare this to be the platform of the Democratic Party:
The Democratic Party solemnly promises by appropriate action to put into effect the principles, policies, and reforms herein advocated, and to eradicate the policies, methods, and practices herein condemned. We advocate an immediate and drastic reduction of governmental expenditures by abolishing useless commissions and offices, consolidating departments and bureaus, and eliminating extravagance to accomplish a saving of not less than twenty-five per cent in the cost of the Federal Government. And we call upon the Democratic Party in the states to make a zealous effort to achieve a proportionate result.
We favor maintenance of the national credit by a federal budget annually balanced on the basis of accurate executive estimates within revenues, raised by a system of taxation levied on the principle of ability to pay.
We advocate a sound currency to be preserved at all hazards and an international monetary conference called on the invitation of our government to consider the rehabilitation of silver and related questions.
We advocate a competitive tariff for revenue with a fact-finding tariff commission free from executive interference, reciprocal tariff agreements with other nations, and an international economic conference designed to restore international trade and facilitate exchange.
We advocate the extension of federal credit to the states to provide unemployment relief wherever the diminishing resources of the states makes it impossible for them to provide for the needy; expansion of the federal program of necessary and useful construction effected [sic] with a public interest, such as adequate flood control and waterways.
We advocate the spread of employment by a substantial reduction in the hours of labor, the encouragement of the shorter week by applying that principle in government service; we advocate advance planning of public works.
We advocate unemployment and old-age insurance under state laws.
We favor the restoration of agriculture, the nation's basic industry; better financing of farm mortgages through recognized farm bank agencies at low rates of interest on an amortization plan, giving preference to credits for the redemption of farms and homes sold under foreclosure.
Extension and development of the Farm co-operative movement and effective control of crop surpluses so that our farmers may have the full benefit of the domestic market.
The enactment of every constitutional measure that will aid the farmers to receive for their basic farm commodities prices in excess of cost.
We advocate a Navy and an Army adequate for national defense, based on a survey of all facts affecting the existing establishments, that the people in time of peace may not be burdened by an expenditure fast approaching a billion dollars annually.
We advocate strengthening and impartial enforcement of the anti-trust laws, to prevent monopoly and unfair trade practices, and revision thereof for the better protection of labor and the small producer and distributor.
The conservation, development, and use of the nation's water power in the public interest.
The removal of government from all fields of private enterprise except where necessary to develop public works and natural resources in the common interest
June 27, 1932.
We believe that a party platform is a covenant with the people to have [sic] faithfully kept by the party when entrusted with power, and that the people are entitled to know in plain words the terms of the contract to which they are asked to subscribe. We hereby declare this to be the platform of the Democratic Party:
The Democratic Party solemnly promises by appropriate action to put into effect the principles, policies, and reforms herein advocated, and to eradicate the policies, methods, and practices herein condemned. We advocate an immediate and drastic reduction of governmental expenditures by abolishing useless commissions and offices, consolidating departments and bureaus, and eliminating extravagance to accomplish a saving of not less than twenty-five per cent in the cost of the Federal Government. And we call upon the Democratic Party in the states to make a zealous effort to achieve a proportionate result.
We favor maintenance of the national credit by a federal budget annually balanced on the basis of accurate executive estimates within revenues, raised by a system of taxation levied on the principle of ability to pay.
We advocate a sound currency to be preserved at all hazards and an international monetary conference called on the invitation of our government to consider the rehabilitation of silver and related questions.
We advocate a competitive tariff for revenue with a fact-finding tariff commission free from executive interference, reciprocal tariff agreements with other nations, and an international economic conference designed to restore international trade and facilitate exchange.
We advocate the extension of federal credit to the states to provide unemployment relief wherever the diminishing resources of the states makes it impossible for them to provide for the needy; expansion of the federal program of necessary and useful construction effected [sic] with a public interest, such as adequate flood control and waterways.
We advocate the spread of employment by a substantial reduction in the hours of labor, the encouragement of the shorter week by applying that principle in government service; we advocate advance planning of public works.
We advocate unemployment and old-age insurance under state laws.
We favor the restoration of agriculture, the nation's basic industry; better financing of farm mortgages through recognized farm bank agencies at low rates of interest on an amortization plan, giving preference to credits for the redemption of farms and homes sold under foreclosure.
Extension and development of the Farm co-operative movement and effective control of crop surpluses so that our farmers may have the full benefit of the domestic market.
The enactment of every constitutional measure that will aid the farmers to receive for their basic farm commodities prices in excess of cost.
We advocate a Navy and an Army adequate for national defense, based on a survey of all facts affecting the existing establishments, that the people in time of peace may not be burdened by an expenditure fast approaching a billion dollars annually.
We advocate strengthening and impartial enforcement of the anti-trust laws, to prevent monopoly and unfair trade practices, and revision thereof for the better protection of labor and the small producer and distributor.
The conservation, development, and use of the nation's water power in the public interest.
The removal of government from all fields of private enterprise except where necessary to develop public works and natural resources in the common interest
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:28 pm to bmy
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We advocate a competitive tariff for revenue with a fact-finding tariff commission free from executive interference, reciprocal tariff agreements with other nations, and an international economic conference designed to restore international trade and facilitate exchange.
This is probably why Trump gets flak from some Republican higherups. Using the tariffs as he currently has is paramount to using Democrat tactics.
I personally like the new tariffs, but it does go against traditional Republicanism.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:38 pm to Loserman
quote:Gramm, 1983
There was only one Senator, yes only ONE, who switched from Democrat to Republican from 1964 to 1984. Strom Thurman. There were no house members.
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 3:47 pm
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