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re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days

Posted on 12/31/25 at 12:31 am to
Posted by somethingdifferent
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 12:31 am to
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Just wanted to say 'thank you' for taking the time to respond to that conspiracy theorist and perpetual hater of Christ. The more who call him to task on his lies, the better
I hope all is well in your world
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 12:33 am to
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are you ignoring somethingdifferent’s lies about polytheism among the Israelites?
How many times do I have to prove the point? Do you want to take a stab at the questions I asked squirrelschiester?
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 1:02 am to
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Nope, I just use facts
It is not a fact that the Jews were originally polytheist. That is an ahistorical opinion that has been refuted.

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let the facts determine what is the truth
Really. And when archaeology continues to support the Bible?

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It’s not hard, but you have to be open-minded and be capable of rational thought.
Like all of the resources I've given you to correct your misconceptions? I notice you never deal with any of that. You just keep repeating your emotional security blankets

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So some Christians denied Jesus was raised in the flesh

Who were ultimately exposed as not being Christians

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Christians like Paul in fact, who specifically said Jesus’ body was raised not in flesh but in spirit, as what is sown is perishable and what is raised is imperishable
Which is of course true and not contradictory. But I totally get how you won't understand that

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some Christians who said...
Some people say the earth is flat. Does that make them scientists?

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Some Christians claimed...
Christology has been thoroughly established in numerous ways throughout the early Church. Some people engaging in heresies does not diminish the truth at all. But you knew that, didn't you?

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2 John 7
You even quote a passage correcting people guilty of heresy but then try to use that passage as proof that the heresy was the actual belief but the correction was the errant view. Do you even know you're doing that? The passage you quote was written and corroborated by eyewitnesses

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The “orthodox” Christians who “won”
Ok Dan Brown. What a joke. There's an entire discipline of biblical reliability that you're completely unaware of. You are recycling long refuted ideas and you apparently don't even know. Like laughable Jesus Seminar crap with the colored beads.

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Ignatius of Antioch never quoted any of the gospels we have today
Other than:
In Smyrnaeans 1.1, he quotes Matthew 3:15 almost perfectly
He alludes to 1 Corinthians more than any other book, such as in Smyrnaeans 1.1
His theology of the "flesh" and "blood" of Jesus in the Eucharist (Smyrn 7.1) is deeply similar to the "Bread of Life" discourse in John 6.

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because they hadn’t been written by the time he lived in the first part of the second century.
You don't even know the basics

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Each one of those lines sought to establish uniformity in the Roman Christian church in the 4th century
And yet every part of it is derived from the Bible. But you knew that didn't you? The bishops had to prove every line from the Bible

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There were some Christians who believed in two, three, or many gods
Prove it. Name names

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Many Christians believed Jesus was a created being and distinct in essence
Who were eventually exposed as heretics because, NEWSFLASH, those ideas are not in the Bible

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Many Christians, perhaps the majority at one point in the second century (Marcionism), believed the evil Yahweh created the world and that Jesus came to rescue us from Yahweh
And what happened to the followers of Marcion? Were they accepted as orthodox? If their ideas were so biblically grounded, surely they prevailed theologically, right?

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Some said...
Ok. I've beaten this horse to death

It's astonishing how wrong a person could be about known history. You know some factoids but your conclusions and perception are insanely warped, I'm guessing because of your emotional commitment to Christianity being false. You're citing Dan freaking Brown at this point.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 1:03 am to
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You are taking your neighbors resources and giving it to other people
What in the world does this have to do with jihadists? Nothing.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1649 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 1:21 am to
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Yahweh commanded David to conduct a census in 2 Samuel 24
Do you know why?

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how it was a sin
If you will check Exodus 30:12, you will see that a census, simpliciter, is permitted. Moreover, 1 Chronicles 21:1 has something to say about this matter.

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innocent Israelites
Oh really? Tell us more about these people

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Yahweh killed 70,000 innocent Israelites to punish David for doing exactly as he commanded
Did you even read the first verse of chapter 24?

Do you intentionally misrepresent the Bible? Or is it just a product of ignorance?
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 1:23 am to
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Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
This has interestingly caused you to get confused about Islam and this topic. Muslims need no help from anyone in their desire to eliminate infidels. They hated infidels long before any US 3 letter agencies existed
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 1:24 am to
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So what?
It's relevant nerd. Do you even know why?
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 1:34 am to
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I am however 100% convinced Christians were worshipping Jesus as a mythical character who died and resurrected in the heavens before any legends of a historical Jesus ever started
And history proves you decidedly wrong on this issue

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I’m positive though that Christians were worshipping a Jesus who was completely celestial
Prove it. Name names

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We know Mark, which was the first or second gospel, was written as an allegory for deeper truths and wasn’t intended to be taken as literal historical events
Really. So you're a mind reader now? How interesting. And there are 3 other books that parallel his work also making real claims about Jesus that were corroborated by eyewitnesses for numerous decades after Jesus died and appeared again. Then there are a couple dozen other books that theologically expound on the real person of Jesus which were also corroborated by eyewitnesses.

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So historical Jesus: maybe
Worn out 2nd quest for the historical Jesus tripe; Crossan, Mack, Borg. All failed commentators on the subject
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1649 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:04 am to
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Chronicles was a fictive history written to replace their older fictive history
Prove it

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cherry pick the verse from another book
So we provide you with a cross reference and then you say it's not a cross reference. Who is cherry picking? It's a DIRECT FREAKING REFERENCE genius

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Chronicles was written by a Levite scribe in the late Persian period to overwrite the Samuel/Kings material from the early Persian Period
Speaking of fiction

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Deuteronomist Reform
Ah jeez. Not this documentary hypothesis crap again. Fine. Show me the Deuteronomist source texts. You can't. They don't exist.

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they got to have some say in how the priests in Jerusalem ran their religion
Except what resulted post exile was the same as what existed pre-exile. Skeptical fiction doesn't change that.

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the Levite scribe, now having “THE Satan” in his arsenal, re-wrote
Prove it. Name this scribe. Show us the source texts

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Mark says to take a staff and wear sandals, Matthew says not to take a staff and not wear sandals, and Luke says not to take a staff
Are you getting this elementary school crap from the skeptics annotated bible? There are historically multiple ways these 3 passages could be interpreted. But let's make sure to not recognize those and childishly act like this is just some incredibly obvious oversight that no one in the last 2000 years ever noticed

If you were to take a step back and look at the monumental effort you put into misunderstanding Christianity on the internet in a juvenile attempt to dissuade people of it's truth, a 10,000 foot view, can you not see how emotionally committed you are? Your polemics have nothing to do with facts and history. It is pure emotional bias. Can you not admit that?
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1649 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:12 am to
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Not exactly
Yes, exactly. Eyewitnesses. In fact, thousands of them

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a hallucination
A hallucination of a person who matches a real person experienced by countless other people. A shared hallucination. You're dredging the bottom of the barrel at this point. You need to quit. Next you'll be dusting off the 2 body or swoon

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it’s a forgery
Prove it

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all we have is Paul


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none of the four canonical gospels claim to be written by eyewitnesses
Name the people who thought the gospels weren't written by eyewitnesses

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Your pastors might have pulled the wool over your eyes
Ok hypocrite

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Lots of people have been duped
I asked you how contemporaneous Jews somehow didn't know their own scriptures were actually polytheistic. You have yet to answer this question. You instead recycled the idiotic idea that the "priests" somehow brainwashed everyone into thinking their culture had been monotheistic all along and 2000 years later, people somehow were able to detect that the passages were actually polytheistic, thus toppling several thousand years of Jewish theology and sociology. You were saying about being duped?
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1649 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:14 am to
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thou shalt surely kill him
I'll ask the same question again, what does this have to do with the current threat of jihadi Muslims?
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1649 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:21 am to
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They weren’t writing a Bible
You think the people who wrote scripture didn't know they were communicating God's word? Wow. Do you know ANYTHING about how the Bible came into being? I'm sure I've cited resources for you on this subject

You sure seem to read people's minds alot.

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there are no contradictions
Correct. There aren't

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that god PHDs and made it their life’s work wrote books explaining and showing the evidence that it’s a re-write
Name them. You know perfectly well I'm going to tear that to shreds like everything else you've presented

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He loves making shite up
You can't be serious. First, Foo gave a perfectly viable interpretation. Second, you are the king of gullibly believing things that are probably written to make money off of rubes such as yourself

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It isn’t in evidence
I've been asking you for evidence for months. You bring nothing.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1649 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:27 am to
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there was no Old Testament. There wasn’t even a Jewish Bible yet. There was the Septuagint of course, but there was no authoritative collection of canonical scripture. There were scriptures
OMG you're all over the place. You said there was no OT but you said there were scriptures. It's the same thing genius. You don't understand "canon" at all. You're probably going to cite Dan Brown again and say the "church made up the Bible" for some stupid purpose like the subjugation of women

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Jesus and Jude and Paul and the rest of them considered 1 Enoch to be scripture
You can't help yourself can you? I've already explained this reference to you. Why do you insist on repeating already refuted notions?

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I’m talking about the fictional character of Jesus, who was a mythical fantasy.
Well why didn't you say so? Foo and I are talking about the REAL person Jesus. Let's get on the same page

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It’s unambiguous
But not necessarily contradictory, right?

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You would think the almighty storm deity would pick some more competent scribes
The scribes probably didn't account for how much intelligence would decrease to the point of retardation amongst biblical skeptics.
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