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re: The most common age among whites in U.S. is 58
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:09 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:09 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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I understand that Hispanic is an ethnicity and not a race, but if you are going to include it on a chart with white, black, multiracial, etc. then clearly you they are making a distinction between white and hispanic(when normally you can pick both). So I'm just curious at what point is that line drawn.
Sorry. Replied to wrong poster
This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 3:12 pm
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Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:11 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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I've always wonder at what point do you stop being hispanic and start being white. I'm 3rd generation hispanic with a super hispanic last name, yet look like your average white guy. Family is from Costa Rica FWIW.
I know this crowd doesn’t like social experiments....but I’d be curious to see results of this:
Create 2 resumes each with a throw-away names (one Hispanic surname & one not) but otherwise identical qualifications. Maybe change a few words & order but keep reasonably the same. Send it out to dozens of job listings & see how many calls you get back on the throwaway phone. I’m not speculating results but would love to see how it goes.
And before anyone responds as such-I realize this is wasting employers time & wouldn’t do it myself.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:23 pm to teebro
With no wars we live long AF.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 4:56 pm to Kentucker
quote:In otherwords, evolutionary adaptations. Like body composition, lactose tolerance, genetic resistance to certain diseases, etc. Do you contend that these phenotypic variations don't exist?
Skin colors of humans are only shades of brown. These shades evolved according to the amount of sunlight that ancient groups of dark brown people experienced in the places to which they migrated after leaving Africa.
quote:Yes, back to a time when scientific research had less of a political agenda.
Your awkward descriptions of humans don’t leave much to the imagination. You seem to be mentally stuck in the early to mid 20th century.
Riddle me this: domestic dogs are classified as Canis familiaris, a subspecies of genus Canis, species Canis lupus. Why do you seem to accept that dogs can have wide variation in physical characteristics due to hundreds of generations of selective mating and still be the same subspecies, but humans somehow can't?
Posted on 7/3/20 at 7:49 pm to FearlessFreep
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In otherwords, evolutionary adaptations. Like body composition, lactose tolerance, genetic resistance to certain diseases, etc. Do you contend that these phenotypic variations don't exist?
Certainly not as people with white, black, yellow or red skins.
Genetic variations are the results of mutations in the DNA of members of a species. These differences can accumulate over time to the point in isolated groups that subspecies, or races, can develop. That has not happened with modern humans.
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Yes, back to a time when scientific research had less of a political agenda.
Politics is involved in every facet of the human experience and always has been. That’s why we have the ridiculous white, black, yellow and red lay classfications of people.
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Riddle me this: domestic dogs are classified as Canis familiaris, a subspecies of genus Canis, species Canis lupus. Why do you seem to accept that dogs can have wide variation in physical characteristics due to hundreds of generations of selective mating and still be the same subspecies, but humans somehow can't?
We’re not dogs.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 9:53 pm to Kentucker
quote:So we, out of all of the species and subspecies on the planet, are somehow immune to Darwinian selection?
We’re not dogs.
Interesting.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:44 am to FearlessFreep
Maybe I should have said we’re not pets since you can’t seem to distinguish between eugenics and natural evolution. To compare dog breeding to the superficial differences in regional groups of humans is laughable. I hope you don’t consider a Chihuahua to be a different species to a Great Dane.
We could manipulate and magnify the effects of the few genes in humans that make us “different” to each other just as we have in dogs. We could produce three foot tall groups and eight foot tall basketball players, for example. However, we cannot produce white, black, yellow or red people since genes for those skin pigment colors don’t exist in us.
You are confusing, or not recognizing the radical difference between, artificial selection and the mutation aspect of evolution. Accumulation of mutations in groups that are isolated from one another creates new species, not the varying epigenetic expressions of genes in an otherwise homogeneous species.
We could manipulate and magnify the effects of the few genes in humans that make us “different” to each other just as we have in dogs. We could produce three foot tall groups and eight foot tall basketball players, for example. However, we cannot produce white, black, yellow or red people since genes for those skin pigment colors don’t exist in us.
You are confusing, or not recognizing the radical difference between, artificial selection and the mutation aspect of evolution. Accumulation of mutations in groups that are isolated from one another creates new species, not the varying epigenetic expressions of genes in an otherwise homogeneous species.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 11:02 am to Kentucker
It appears to me we are talking past one another. I will attempt to clarify my position.
- All human beings are members of the subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens.
- As humans migrated further from the Fertile Crescent, their descendants were subject to differing environmental pressures due to varying conditions (geography/climate/diet).
- These environmental pressures produced genetic traits that were amplified through the generations by Darwinian selection and adaptation.
- These adaptations, further enforced by geographic isolation and inbreeding, resulted in the variations of H. sapiens sapiens we commonly refer to as “races”.
- “Race” is more or less analogous to “Breed” in Canis lupus familiaris - i.e. not unique subspecies, but distinctive genetic variations with generalized evolutionary advantages to the geographic conditions from which they spent thousands of generations of natural selection and adaptation.
In other words, no, I “don’t consider a chihuahua to be a different species to a Great Dane”, any more than I consider a Tetum villager from East Timor to be a different species to a Sudanese Dinka.
But I do acknowledge that the differences between chihuahuas and Great Danes are not merely “superficial”. Don’t you agree?
- All human beings are members of the subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens.
- As humans migrated further from the Fertile Crescent, their descendants were subject to differing environmental pressures due to varying conditions (geography/climate/diet).
- These environmental pressures produced genetic traits that were amplified through the generations by Darwinian selection and adaptation.
- These adaptations, further enforced by geographic isolation and inbreeding, resulted in the variations of H. sapiens sapiens we commonly refer to as “races”.
- “Race” is more or less analogous to “Breed” in Canis lupus familiaris - i.e. not unique subspecies, but distinctive genetic variations with generalized evolutionary advantages to the geographic conditions from which they spent thousands of generations of natural selection and adaptation.
In other words, no, I “don’t consider a chihuahua to be a different species to a Great Dane”, any more than I consider a Tetum villager from East Timor to be a different species to a Sudanese Dinka.
But I do acknowledge that the differences between chihuahuas and Great Danes are not merely “superficial”. Don’t you agree?
This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 11:03 am
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