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re: The ISP/privacy issue, the dilemma and "conservatives"
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:32 pm to jeff5891
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:32 pm to jeff5891
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When that server creats data with your name on it and sends it back to you, do you think that Comcast is the only one who has your private info or does another company that you didn't make a deal with now have your private information as well?
If by data you mean IPs, then ya. That's how the interwebs works.
If by data you mean actual layer 7 data as long as you're using HTTPS or a VPN, then no.
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:33 pm to jeff5891
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Where does the data go from there and how does it come back?
In other words if you didn't stay in the realm of a specific company's network, another sent the data back
You'll figure it out eventually
Youre just pissing in the wind aren't you?
Universities are part of the Internet backbone. They don't handle the assignments of packets, just guarantee the transmission
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:35 pm to CorporateTiger
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Google is not (outside of Fiber) an ISP. Stop bringing them up in this discussion.
They're very germane to the discussion. Google would have enjoyed an advantage in the ad revenue market that ISPs would not have had.
Now they remain on equal footing legally, even though Google is on another entire level in terms of big data and leveraging it for profit. Facebook is possible the only other company that's close.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:39 pm to notsince98
r/The_Donald demands a veto
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"It's been fun up to now. We need to be critical of him too if he helps sell us out," reads a top comment on Trump's non-official, and highly controversial, Reddit forum (or subreddit) /r/The_Donald.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:39 pm to notsince98
Small government is good, but common sense is also good. There are rare cases when the government makes a rule that actually does good for the people. This was one of those times, but now it's gone.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:40 pm to AggieDub14
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There are rare cases when the government makes a rule that actually does good for the people. This was one of those times, but now it's gone.
And it needed to be gone. It did not apply to all business entities equally.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:41 pm to Centinel
Then it needed to be amended. Big data is already a huge privacy issue. This makes it worse.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:45 pm to CorporateTiger
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Google is not (outside of Fiber) an ISP. Stop bringing them up in this discussion.
No. I won't. It's relevant when talking about internet privacy. If you don't grasp that then you are fighting ill-equipped.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:45 pm to Centinel
And neither has tried to get the benefit of being a utility. If I don't want to give Google my data, I can go to any other search engine.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:48 pm to AggieDub14
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Then it needed to be amended. Big data is already a huge privacy issue. This makes it worse.
No, it didn't make it worse because nothing has changed.
What needs to happen is the FTC and FCC need to get together and craft a consistent ruling. Or Congress (ya right).
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:49 pm to CorporateTiger
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I can go to any other search engine.
Who will then have your data and sell it.
Most (if not all?) search engines use HTTPS. There is no way for an ISP to know what you're searching. But the search engine knows. And sells it.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:50 pm to Centinel
Sounds like you know a lot more about this than I do. I definitely agree with what you're saying.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:54 pm to MButterfly
No understand that. Google hasn't subverted the free market though. Comcast absolutely has.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:56 pm to CorporateTiger
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Google hasn't subverted the free market though. Comcast absolutely has.
That's irrelevant to the discussion here about privacy.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:59 pm to CorporateTiger
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Google hasn't subverted the free market though
Not the topic.
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Comcast absolutely has.
I don't like them, but not the topic.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:00 pm to Centinel
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It did not apply to all business entities equally.
ISPs are completely different types of companies than companies like Google and Facebook. They occupy completely different markets, have entirely different revenue streams, and offer completely different products.
If the ISPs want to compete with Google and Facebook, they're free to do so. They could have created their own search engine. They could have created their own photo hosting site, or blog site, or random social media site. They could have engineered a collection of services designed to acquire and tap into the same data that Facebook and Google obtain. That would have been a true market based solution.
Instead, they lobbied for additional control, and now they have the upper hand. Facebook and Google don't know who I am unless I decide to reveal that information. They have no idea what I do daily if I'm not using my computer or phone, or if I'm not at all a member of any of their services.
But ISPs? They know my home address. They have my credit card information. If I run down to the grocery store to buy some food, Google and Facebook would be oblivious to that event, even if I were opting in to their services. But since the ISPs have my credit card information on hand, they know the store I went to, how much I spent, the time I went shopping, and can bundle that information into my browsing profile to create a tier of ads that Google and Facebook simply can't compete with. Not to mention, of course, that I can't opt out of any of this, which makes it one of the most invasive and anti-consumer tracking schemes ever devised.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:00 pm to Centinel
It absolutely is. Letting Comcast off the hook by allowing them to establish effective monopolies then repealing government regulations allowing them realize even more profit for their monopoly isn't "small government"
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:05 pm to Cs
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ISPs are completely different types of companies than companies like Google and Facebook. They occupy completely different markets, have entirely different revenue streams, and offer completely different products.
So working in the legal field I don't need to worry about PHI because I'm not in healthcare?
Data is data.
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Instead, they lobbied for additional control, and now they have the upper hand.
You mean the hand they've always had? Nothing changed with this bill removing the ruling.
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But since the ISPs have my credit card information on hand, they know the store I went to, how much I spent, the time I went shopping, .
lolwut? I really hope you aren't shopping on websites that aren't using HTTPS. I mean with PCI compliance requirements do those even exist anymore? ISPs don't have your damn credit card information or know how much you spent dude
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:06 pm to CorporateTiger
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allowing them realize even more profit
Nothing. Has. Changed.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:08 pm to Cs
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But ISPs? They know my home address. They have my credit card information. If I run down to the grocery store to buy some food, Google and Facebook would be oblivious to that event, even if I were opting in to their services. But since the ISPs have my credit card information on hand, they know the store I went to, how much I spent, the time I went shopping, and can bundle that information into my browsing profile to create a tier of ads that Google and Facebook simply can't compete with. Not to mention, of course, that I can't opt out of any of this, which makes it one of the most invasive and anti-consumer tracking schemes ever devised.
No.
Let me state this one more time. The current sky falling event did not change anything. Nothing at all. A big zero. No movement. No foul. No out of bounds.
Nothing!
I will add that if the topic has moved into ISP using your data to tap into habits so they can market things towards you, your own logic comes into play.
You do not have to use an ISP.
You do not have to use your credit cards online.. nor own one to function.
You chose to have internet just as if you chose to use google.
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