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re: The ISP/privacy issue, the dilemma and "conservatives"

Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:08 pm to
420chan?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:09 pm to
I hope you're not that foolish.
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:11 pm to
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:17 pm to
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Are you saying this will stop ISPs from getting my private information?

If you own your own ISP, then you control the data that shows where you visit?

How would another ISP have access to your ISP data?
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:21 pm to
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We've completely abandoned the entire concept of privacy over the last decade or two. Sad


What the frick? Do you understand that the 4th Amendment , nor any other part of the COTUS, guarantees you have privacy from a private compnany? LOL I mean Google could literally publish every email you ever send via Gmail and they have not violated your rights.

Dumb shits, dumb shits everywhere.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
19263 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:22 pm to
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Not at all. We have abandoned the concept of personal responsibility and private property. Nobody is forced to have an internet service.



This may be the dumbest fricking post I've ever read on here. The Internet is information and information is power.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:23 pm to
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This may be the dumbest fricking post I've ever read on here. The Internet is information and information is power.


But not necessary to live.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21689 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:25 pm to
Governments buying data from a company rather than getting a warrant is abhorrent, and should be condemned in every way possible.

Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
19263 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:26 pm to
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But not necessary to live.


It's not necessary to teach reading in schools to live either. Should we get rid of that?
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:28 pm to
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This may be the dumbest fricking post I've ever read on here. The Internet is information and information is power.


What does that have to do with anything?

You realize, don't you, that the ISP is not your property? The rights belong to the ISP, not you.

I have Cox Cable, for instance. Here is their Privacy Policy

LINK


If you don't like that policy, you know what you do? You don't run to the government and ask them to force Cox to do something different, you go do business elsewhere.

Jesus Christ, why is that such a difficult concept for some?

Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15899 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:47 pm to
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How would another ISP have access to your ISP data?


When it is handed off to the backbone.

Do you know anything about network communications?

Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15899 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:28 pm to
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You don't run to the government and ask them to force Cox to do something different, you go do business elsewhere.


Let's say you (in LA) have a contract with Comcast and the server you connected to for buying a good (in NY) has a contract with Verizon.

When that server creats data with your name on it and sends it back to you, do you think that Comcast is the only one who has your private info or does another company that you didn't make a deal with now have your private information as well?

This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 3:30 pm
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:00 pm to
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When it is handed off to the backbone.

Uh, ummmm, huh?

The backbone routes packets. The packet is assigned an IP address buy its ISP. The backbone has no idea who that IP address was assigned to. Only the ISP does (and the NSA of course)

So a backbone has no valid purpose in selling your info for ad revenue, because they know virtually nothing about you
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
124713 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:01 pm to
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Laizzes Fair


Love it.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:15 pm to
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However ISP's benefit from all of the advantages of being a utility with none of the consumer protections


And by protections we mean regulations.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:19 pm to
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You mean the Google company that is putting their fiber expansion on hold largely due to the resources needed


After helping Google with a few permits in this area.. well.. they are sick and tired of Comcast lawyers
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15899 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:20 pm to
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So a backbone has no valid purpose


Where does the data go from there and how does it come back?

In other words if you didn't stay in the realm of a specific company's network, another sent the data back

You'll figure it out eventually
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 4:23 pm
Posted by MButterfly
Quantico
Member since Oct 2015
6860 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:29 pm to
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The ISP/privacy issue


some truths for you. Google and all others are collecting your information. The NSA is collecting. You have no privacy.

This "protection" you had was not protection at all. It was not in affect. Nothing was lost by this move.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:30 pm to
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You mean the Google company that is putting their fiber expansion on hold largely due to the resources needed (and that's with sweetheart deals by local municipalities)


Which has been fought with every tactic possible by the entrenched monopolies.

If there was actually a free market for ISPs, I would be ok with this. The notion that an industry can use local and state regulations to kill competition and then go get restrictions on them abolished in the name of "small government" is laughable.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:30 pm to
Google is not (outside of Fiber) an ISP. Stop bringing them up in this discussion.
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