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re: The decline of religious faith in America and what that means for our future
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:04 pm to BiggRazorback
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:04 pm to BiggRazorback
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If God can just do what God wants then why doesn't God change reality?
Think of it like God putting together an all star baseball or football team. He is not looking to grab just anybody off the streets. He is looking for those that have worked and proved themselves. He is looking for the best.
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I didn't bring it up.
You just referenced it to me?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:07 pm to Bayou
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You just referenced it to me?
Correct, because it's something you replied to earlier...
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:08 pm to Tigers2010a
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Think of it like God putting together an all star baseball or football team
Interesting!
God is the talented QB (Bresus) throwing darts right in the numbers. Unless the guy catches it (receives) the play is null. BUT when he does receive it there is great joy throughout!
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:09 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Correct, because it's something you replied to earlier...
Not here to trade jabs, dude. I wish you nothing but the best.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:09 pm to sta4ever
quote:Prove creation. Or maybe a little simpler, prove consciousness.
in a time where we can prove so much.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:09 pm to Bayou
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Noy here to trade jabs, dude. I wish you nothing but the best.
It wasn't a jab. You got lost in the conversation, so I refreshed it.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:10 pm to sta4ever
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religion was destined to be destroyed.
Even communism has not been able to destroy religion.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:11 pm to Tigers2010a
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Prove creation. Or maybe a little simpler, prove consciousness.
I can’t, and you can’t either with Christianity.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It wasn't a jab. You got lost in the conversation, so I refreshed it.
Me, nor anyone, can make you believe in God. Nevertheless, He is all around you. Just look.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:13 pm to Bayou
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Me, nor anyone, can make you believe in God.
That's not true. "God" could do that, easily.
But, that wasn't the point.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:13 pm to Tigers2010a
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S Think of it like God putting together an all star baseball or football team. He is not looking to grab just anybody off the streets. He is looking for those that have worked and proved themselves. He is looking for the best.
Actually, the Bible is replete with stories of God not choosing the best, but the lowest and the off cast of society. God’s greatness is best revealed in his work through the weak and rejected.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:14 pm to Tigers2010a
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Even communism has not been able to destroy religion.
You’re right. As a matter of fact, most tyrannical type of governments, are in countries who are very religious. It’s the same deal historically as well. Maybe the argument should be, religion leads to tyranny.
What I’m saying is, the idea of the United States changed perspective on so much. Created so much opportunity that never existed before. The idea of freedom, independence, and choice, was obviously going to lead to the destruction of organized religion.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:17 pm to sta4ever
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Maybe the argument should be, religion leads to tyranny.
Except tyrannical governments ban religion because they demand complete allegiance to the state.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:18 pm to BiggRazorback
So, if I see something that could be dangerous and hurt you I should mind my own business and not tell you?
It is still your decision whether to listen or ignore me.
It is still your decision whether to listen or ignore me.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:19 pm to Bayou
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Think of it like God putting together an all star baseball or football team
People seem to expect God to just walk up and save them. No, we have to put in the work. We have to look and we have to figure it out. If we are too lazy for that, then we don't belong on his team. As Jesus said, “many are called, but few are chosen.”
For those that have read the entire bible or at least the new testament, they know Jesus is not some woke softie. He is actually much more like a drill sergeant and his expectations are very high.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:20 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I already knew the answer. This is about getting Christians to accept the answer.
Your logic is flawed.
Acknowledging that there are inconsistent Christians does not mean that the faith system isn’t true and correct, nor that it doesn’t help people be better people in a world full of suffering and sin.
Also, acknowledging sinful Christians does not suggest the overall balance of good that is done through Christianity is the same as inconsistent and sinful atheists/pagans who don’t even follow a consistent rule for life and don’t generally acknowledge sinfulness.
Christianity insists upon humility and acknowledgment that men are easily deluded by sin. For most non-believers, they act like and seem to believe that their moment to moment decision making process is infallible, or at a minimum, unquestionable.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:20 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That's not true. "God" could do that, easily.
He does do that quite easily
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:20 pm to sta4ever
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As a matter of fact, most tyrannical type of governments, are in countries who are very religious. It’s the same deal historically as well. Maybe the argument should be, religion leads to tyranny.
What are some of the tyrannical countries you speak of now and throughout history? I have a feeling most of the countries you might reference today as being very religious and tyrannical are all in the same area of the world
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:23 pm to Jimbeaux
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Acknowledging that there are inconsistent Christians
That isn't what needs to be accepted. Christians need to accept that they are inherently inconsistent.
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