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re: The Death of Civic Nationalism
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:40 pm to the808bass
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:40 pm to the808bass
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Look around this forum and you’ll see the same thing. Conservatives like SFP and Sentrius wringing hands about some old internet posts from a Freshman Rep from Georgia while the system is literally circling the drain.
Anyone wringing their hands, and worrying about "acting nice", has lost the plot.
Like a number of other people, I looked at this as an existential election. Do we get to survive? Or will we stamped out? At this point, It looks like we'll get stamped out.
I read a Russian article about the the election, and what Biden means (to Russia). The author referred to us as "dissidents" and the technocracy as "oligarchs".
They are oligarchs, and we are dissidents, but it was strange seeing those words used to describe American politics. It's accurate though - we are dissidents. And we'll be treated like dissidents.
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:41 pm to Revelator
First Friday prayer meeting tonight.
I feel there's not much else to do but pray for inspiration. Prayers defeat evil.
I feel there's not much else to do but pray for inspiration. Prayers defeat evil.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:42 pm to markinkaty
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US Constitution and rule of law are meaningless: the desire of multinational corporations uber alles.
I assume that the Democrats will pass a Federal gun control bill with strict controls on ammunition, and a national registry for firearms.
The constitution is just words on paper, and these people will ignore it.
Any rules we thought protected us, they're gone.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:44 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I have no idea what will happen next, but I worry we're on the edge of something awful. There are so many negative long term trends coming together.
A republic where 50% of its citizens (hell, probably 3/4ths if accounting for long-disenchanted voters on both the left and right) no longer believes in the legitimacy of its election process cannot possibly sustain itself.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:49 pm to Lima Whiskey
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We live in an increasingly autocratic oligarchy, which is purging anyone who is suspected of conservative thought.
Trump isn't conservative at all. He's literally a NY democrat, his policies are not conservative, his rhetoric is not conservative. He ran as a republican because he knew he could convince a bunch of rubes to vote for him. Democrats are now where Republicans used to be. You don't read much, do you?
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:52 pm to NSWDevgru
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his policies are not conservative, his rhetoric is not conservative.
What conservative policies are your favorite?
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:55 pm to NSWDevgru
Hey dumbass, having an open border isn't conservative.
Foreign aid isn't conservative.
Unfair trade deals isn't conservative.
You sound like worthless establishment piece of trash.
Foreign aid isn't conservative.
Unfair trade deals isn't conservative.
You sound like worthless establishment piece of trash.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:57 pm to shutterspeed
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A republic where 50% of its citizens (hell, probably 3/4ths if accounting for long-disenchanted voters on both the left and right) no longer believes in the legitimacy of its election process cannot possibly sustain itself.
Yes... but the Soviets ruled Russia for 74 years.
Vacláv Havel wrotet about the durability of the Soviet system.
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One of the essential aspects of this traditional or classical notion of dictatorship is the assumption that it is temporary, ephemeral, lacking historical roots. Its existence seems to be bound up with the lives of those who established it. It is usually local in extent and significance, and regardless of the ideology it utilizes to grant itself legitimacy, its power derives ultimately from the numbers and the armed might of its soldiers and police. The principal threat to its existence is felt to be the possibility that someone better equipped in this sense might appear and overthrow it.
But these governments weren't temporary, they had a powerful ideology that held whole nations captive.
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third peculiarity that makes our systems different from other modern dictatorships: it commands an incomparably more precise, logically structured, generally comprehensible and, in essence, extremely flexible ideology that, in its elaborateness and completeness, is almost a secularized religion.
From Vacláv Havel's The Power Of The Powerless
Posted on 2/5/21 at 6:02 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Vacláv Havel
One of the GOATs.
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Because the regime is captive to its own lies, it must falsify everything. It falsifies the past. It falsifies the present, and it falsifies the future. It falsifies statistics. It pretends not to possess an omnipotent and unprincipled police apparatus. It pretends to respect human rights. It pretends to prosecute no one. It pretends to fear nothing. It pretends to pretend nothing.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 6:23 pm to the808bass
That quote, that is our America.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 6:42 pm to Lima Whiskey
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That quote, that is our America.
To be more precise... that is the America we find ourselves in..
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