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re: The church is dying. The killer is the government
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:31 pm to Choctaw
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:31 pm to Choctaw
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I would agree except for the fact that he said we are dying out and just haven't come to grips with "the truth" yet.
I'm not supporting his "facts". Only, his use of the sentences you quoted
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:35 pm to Choctaw
Well..stats would show that religion is dying out 
Slowly but surely
Slowly but surely
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:35 pm to catholictigerfan
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for some in the Catholic Church this is the case but the Churches theology of the liturgy understands that the primary function of the liturgy (which includes Mass, along with other things) is the worship of God and the Sanctification of the people.
And I should have added the other side.of the coin.
Besides the sensationalized people seeking a sign or feelings and experiences, for others, it's just become something they do, quite traditional. The pew planters.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:38 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Besides the sensationalized people seeking a sign or feelings and experiences,
For "Believers"..why should there bo only one way?
If one person likes the feeling of quiet reflection and meditation on/with God, and another person likes a more upbeat, high energy experience...why must one be incorrect?
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:39 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I'm not even sure what we are "arguing". i do not believe. But, I have on issue with those that do. I have no reason to point and ridicule. Nor, do I get any sense of "victory" if the Church loses practitioners.
I know...its people like asurob (the evangelical athiests) that have an issue with. He's a stereotype that likes to jump in every religion thread with snarky sarcastic "I'm better than you" attitude.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:43 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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For "Believers"..why should there bo only one way? If one person likes the feeling of quiet reflection and meditation on/with God, and another person likes a more upbeat, high energy experience...why must one be incorrect?
It doesn't bother me. Although we are taught that Catholicism is the one true religion...we could all be praising the same dude for all I know.
I do have a problem with non-denominational churches though. Not the people that attend...the "church" itself
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:43 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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The Bible is a Fairy tale...in MY belief.
I believe in Black Jesus
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:45 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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why must one be incorrect?
Because faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. (Heb11:1)
If people begin putting their trust in their feelings over faith, then all it takes is some tough times for them to fall away when they aren't feeling it, or in a dry spell.
I've seen pretty much every side of this first hand from iceberg cold churches wrapped in tradition to hyper faith to feel good positive thinking messages, to messages endorsed by the largest church contributors rather than the truth by itself, to the real deal, and the real deal is almost never found in the more popular churches I've found. They're also not the largest on the block. It's not a very popular message, but then Christ pretty much said that was going to be the case.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:46 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I believe in Black Jesus
Jesus Shuttlesworth
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:24 pm to Mike da Tigah
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For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. - 2 Timothy 4:3
Always found verses like this mighty convenient, even when I believed.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:27 pm to Choctaw
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Although we are taught that Catholicism is the one true religion...we could all be praising the same dude for all I know.
We could be?
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I do have a problem with non-denominational churches though.
The first Christian churches, the ones that met in people's homes, were non-denominational.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:28 pm to The Calvin
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Well..stats would show that religion is dying out
Slowly but surely
Im not sure its that religion is "dying out" as much as more and more young people are atheists/agnostics.
50 years from now religion may begin to decline substantially once the current 30-40 year olds and older are largely dead, but for now its remaining static for the most part while nonbelief grows.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:31 pm to Choctaw
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I do have a problem with non-denominational churches though. Not the people that attend...the "church" itself
Why? If Jesus is the goal, the salvation shouldnt be depended upon what a church calls itself.
I knew many protestants and baptists who were very anti-catholic when I believed (and I still do in my personal life) and I never understood it.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:33 pm to TK421
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The first Christian churches, the ones that met in people's homes, were non-denominational.
im talking more about the mega-churches you see today. i just find it unnerving that these preachers have private jets and multi-million dollar homes. Plus i had a good friend that decided to join Harvest and i saw first hand what some of those places can do.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:35 pm to Choctaw
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m talking more about the mega-churches you see today.
Ok. But 98% (made up number) of non-denominational churches are not mega-churches.
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i just find it unnerving that these preachers have private jets and multi-million dollar homes.
I agree, but I also find the excess of the Vatican to be ridiculous.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Why? If Jesus is the goal, the salvation shouldnt be depended upon what a church calls itself.
I knew many protestants and baptists who were very anti-catholic when I believed (and I still do in my personal life) and I never understood it.
like i said...its not the people that attend...its the church itself.
and i've also met many others that absolutely hate Catholics...but it was mostly due to falsehoods. like we worship saints and Mary instead of Jesus.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:39 pm to TK421
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Ok. But 98% (made up number) of non-denominational churches are not mega-churches.
true...didn't mean to paint with a broad brush there
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I agree, but I also find the excess of the Vatican to be ridiculous.
i somewhat agree but the Vatican is considered the governing body of the entire Catholic Church and is its own sovereign nation.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:39 pm to Choctaw
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I know...its people like asurob (the evangelical athiests) that have an issue with. He's a stereotype that likes to jump in every religion thread with snarky sarcastic "I'm better than you" attitude.
well to be fair.
I am.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:40 pm to Choctaw
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It doesn't bother me. Although we are taught that Catholicism is the one true religion...we could all be praising the same dude for all I know.
I'm pretty sure that catholics, protestants, Jews, Muslims, and everyone else who worships a single deity, worship the same one.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:40 pm to Choctaw
I was raised baptist and was non-denom until my mid-20s, but had I stayed in the faith I probably would have become catholic eventually. If one assumes the bible is true and church history is reliable, catholicism fits better. All the early church fathers were demonstrably catholic in doctrine.
Plus, there is something to be said for the beauty of mass regardless of its truth.
Plus, there is something to be said for the beauty of mass regardless of its truth.
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