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re: Texas baws are OUT and ABOUT!
Posted on 5/2/20 at 11:28 pm to bfniii
Posted on 5/2/20 at 11:28 pm to bfniii
I’ll take the word of an MIT researcher who directly states that transmission will “probably not” slow transmission without wider immunity, over a Washington Post headline and reporter-written passage that uses “suggests” and “may,” the same story which also reports that the virus is still spreading with no noticeable abatement in hot and humid Singapore.
The Chinese story included a German study as well as the Stanford study, both of which suggested antibodies for the coronavirus (both of which were disputed) that peg any associated antibody immunity as being in the teens, percentage-wise, among the studied populations.
This was in response to approaching the 50-60-70 percentiles in reference to transmission and immunity. For some reason, you shifted the goalposts to those percentages applying to easing restrictions. (?)
The study did not state that, in relation to covid. It suggested that it had the same preferred season of transmission as the flu, for which the latter has widespread immunity.
The story you linked also was criticized for being a laboratory-only projection that flies in the face of real-life scenarios in Singapore.
Insert gif of blond guy blinking in exasperation....
True.
The Chinese story included a German study as well as the Stanford study, both of which suggested antibodies for the coronavirus (both of which were disputed) that peg any associated antibody immunity as being in the teens, percentage-wise, among the studied populations.
This was in response to approaching the 50-60-70 percentiles in reference to transmission and immunity. For some reason, you shifted the goalposts to those percentages applying to easing restrictions. (?)
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if sunlight and heat do affect the virus on surfaces, transmission will be diminished. it's a direct correlation
The study did not state that, in relation to covid. It suggested that it had the same preferred season of transmission as the flu, for which the latter has widespread immunity.
The story you linked also was criticized for being a laboratory-only projection that flies in the face of real-life scenarios in Singapore.
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supreme court rulings are not always accurate nor constitutional
Insert gif of blond guy blinking in exasperation....
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can be overturned with further adjudication
True.
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 11:37 pm to texashorn
quote:classic ab auctoritate
I’ll take the word of an MIT researcher
also, "emerging laboratory evidence." so why is your lab better than the lab in the article i cited? it's not, that you know of.
quote:and that is clearly understating the matter, if not wrong altogether
directly states that transmission will “probably not” slow transmission without wider immunity
quote:only singapore? no other equatorial countries?
the virus is still spreading with no noticeable abatement in hot and humid Singapore
quote:which proves the point. it is mostly affecting elderly who are confined to the close quarters of nursing homes.
peg any associated antibody immunity as being in the teens, percentage-wise, among the studied populations
quote:yes it does. it's in the title that i quoted. i even highlighted the relevant portion for you
The study did not state that, in relation to covid
quote:all of which further proves how stupid the high level reaction to this virus was
It suggested that it had the same preferred season of transmission as the flu, for which the latter has widespread immunity
quote:tell me what i said that's not factual. would you like to comb through the ~200 supreme court rulings that have been rescinded/revisited? care to guess why that happened? something something unconstitutional something
Insert gif of blond guy blinking in exasperation
Posted on 5/2/20 at 11:44 pm to bfniii
Calling a Supreme Court ruling unconstitutional is akin to Richard Nixon stating that when the President does it, it’s not against the law.
The Congress can limit the authority of the Supreme Court on what it can decide as constitutional by stripping its jurisdiction, or it can change the law to become constitutional. You are suggesting that the court can or should be ignored.
I’m going to have a closer look at this study that you’re touting re: temperature reducing covid transmission by a noticeable degree.
The Congress can limit the authority of the Supreme Court on what it can decide as constitutional by stripping its jurisdiction, or it can change the law to become constitutional. You are suggesting that the court can or should be ignored.
I’m going to have a closer look at this study that you’re touting re: temperature reducing covid transmission by a noticeable degree.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 11:50 pm to texashorn
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Calling a Supreme Court ruling unconstitutional is akin to Richard Nixon stating that when the President does it, it’s not against the law.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you here, but the obvious biggies along those exact lines are Plessy and subsequently Brown.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 11:52 pm to texashorn
quote:i didn't say that. the supreme court/government said that anytime a ruling is rescinded/amended. you're getting way off topic
Calling a Supreme Court ruling unconstitutional
quote:further proving my point about eo's.
The Congress can limit the authority of the Supreme Court on what it can decide as constitutional by stripping its jurisdiction, or it can change the law to become constitutional
quote:i never said anything of the kind. i said that plenty of people have argued, rightly so, that eo's are spurious. this is not a new topic
You are suggesting that the court can or should be ignored
quote:my word. just google it. it's all over the internet.
I’m going to have a closer look at this study that you’re touting re: temperature reducing covid transmission
quote:how long are you going to shift the goalposts around with these subjective terms. you're unnecessarily prolonging this conversation with sophistry
by a noticeable degree
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:07 am to davyjones
The Supreme Court ruled its previous decisions you referred to were unconstitutional and reversed. Yes.
The poster said the Supreme Court ruling was unconstitutional. That hasn’t been decided because it hasn’t been reversed. That made me blink, sorry. At present, it’s totally constitutional.
He said they could reverse it, and that’s true.
The poster said the Supreme Court ruling was unconstitutional. That hasn’t been decided because it hasn’t been reversed. That made me blink, sorry. At present, it’s totally constitutional.
He said they could reverse it, and that’s true.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:17 am to texashorn
Ahh. I'm with you. True, nothing is unconstitutional unless the Court rules as such. Until then it's merely alleged to be unconstitutional.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:27 am to HubbaBubba
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people inside. The one we went to looked like much more than 25%
What does this mean?
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:28 am to bfniii
I can’t find the actual Fort Detrick study but by all indications, it was purely limited to whether sunlight killed the covid virus.
I have no reason to believe that the study directly correlated sunlight, heat and humidity with reduced transmission because nowhere in the story is the study quoted as saying that. That would be a huge finding, but instead, the acting undersecretary who presented this stated that the virus could survive longer in shaded areas and “it would be irresponsible for us to say summer will kill the virus.”
The headline uses “suggests” and a reporter-written passage includes “may.”
Also, “outside experts” contacted by the Post said the results suggest the coronavirus behaves similarly to the flu, in being more efficient in spreading during colder months.
A Columbia University infectious disease expert opines that “if true, these results would point to preferred transmission in winter indoors” and that “in summer we could see some drop in virus activity in the Northern Hemisphere.”
Meanwhile, two studies go a step farther and actually study transmission, which cast doubt on whether the transmission rate will fall during summer for a population mostly lacking immunity.
One of those was the MIT study that its co-author stated “probably not” (a bridge that your study refused to cross, either way).
LINK
Another is from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.
LINK
You might also want to read this:
LINK
I have no reason to believe that the study directly correlated sunlight, heat and humidity with reduced transmission because nowhere in the story is the study quoted as saying that. That would be a huge finding, but instead, the acting undersecretary who presented this stated that the virus could survive longer in shaded areas and “it would be irresponsible for us to say summer will kill the virus.”
The headline uses “suggests” and a reporter-written passage includes “may.”
Also, “outside experts” contacted by the Post said the results suggest the coronavirus behaves similarly to the flu, in being more efficient in spreading during colder months.
A Columbia University infectious disease expert opines that “if true, these results would point to preferred transmission in winter indoors” and that “in summer we could see some drop in virus activity in the Northern Hemisphere.”
Meanwhile, two studies go a step farther and actually study transmission, which cast doubt on whether the transmission rate will fall during summer for a population mostly lacking immunity.
One of those was the MIT study that its co-author stated “probably not” (a bridge that your study refused to cross, either way).
LINK
Another is from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.
LINK
You might also want to read this:
quote:
Scientists are warning that COVID-19 could continue to spread at epidemic levels in the heat of summer despite initial findings from a government study that the novel coronavirus dies quickly in humidity and sunlight.
That study, outlined at the White House by Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Science and Technology William Bryan on Thursday, found the coronavirus survives for mere seconds or minutes on surfaces and in aerosol form when exposed to ultraviolet rays and to heavy humid air.
President Donald Trump expressed hope that the coming summer heat could accelerate an end to national guidelines on social distancing that have brought the U.S. economy to a halt. Vice President Mike Pence said that the heat “could well give us a summer respite” from the virus.
But scientists in Europe who have researched the seasonality of the coronavirus since the outbreak began say those findings only provide limited insight into what to expect of its spread going forward.
“Seasonality will very likely play a big role in the transmission of COVID-19, eventually – but not immediately,” said Sema Nickbakhsh, a research epidemiologist at the University of Glasgow Centre for Virus Research.
LINK
This post was edited on 5/3/20 at 12:40 am
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:36 am to texashorn
Sunlight=UV
All you need to know.
eta-It is comical how you are grasping at anything to keep things shut down.
Did you ever answer if you are an attorney?
All you need to know.
eta-It is comical how you are grasping at anything to keep things shut down.
Did you ever answer if you are an attorney?
This post was edited on 5/3/20 at 12:37 am
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:36 am to HubbaBubba
I feel like I should look for a job in Texas even though I love my state and part of the South East
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:35 am to HubbaBubba
I went inside Shipleys and bought way too many donuts
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:45 am to BuckyCheese
quote:
eta-It is comical how you are grasping at anything to keep things shut down.
The liberals are clinging to a hope that this virus is more dangerous than it is. I mean, are non-elderly, non-sickly people really still afraid of Rona?
Posted on 5/3/20 at 5:15 am to biglego
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are non-elderly, non-sickly people really still afraid of Rona?
When you have a news media that is making their sole purpose to scare as many people as possible every day, yes, there are lol
Posted on 5/3/20 at 6:08 am to HubbaBubba
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Every restaurant I passed had lots of cars in the parking lots and people inside. The one we went to looked like much more than 25% and we survived
There was an old Twilight Zone episode where this man and his family think a nuclear bomb is about the hit, and he locks himself and his family up for 20-30 years until they finally crawl out, only to discover that a bomb never hit and they stayed inside all those years for nothing.
I suspect when many Americans decide to crawl out of their holes, they’ll think they were duped too.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 6:27 am to Revelator
Like the old Japanese soldiers..
Posted on 5/3/20 at 11:34 am to indianswim
Mi Cocina @ Frankford
Posted on 5/3/20 at 11:41 am to HubbaBubba
So bars are open too? What about Houston?
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:11 pm to texashorn
quote:you sound as if just posting here you may get infected.
Enter at your own risk. I understand that. But if cases spike again after what looks like widespread ignoring of the rules, do not be upset when things clamp down again.
If cases do not spike, this was overblown.
are you really a Texan?
riding the fence will get you splinters on your back side.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 5:20 pm to beerJeep
Yep.
I'm old and out of shape
I'm old and out of shape
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