re: Tensions rise in Nevada-snipers,1st am zones,no fly zones used and in effect

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Who says I wouldn't? I've said it numerous times. No welfare without conditions attached. Says a lot about you that you would just make up shite about me.

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Your post speak for themselves Rex. If there is a shady, dispicable side of an issue, you are on that side. Everyone around here knows it too, it's no secret.

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If there is a shady, dispicable side of an issue, you are on that side.

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That's funny. I'm in this thread in support of peacefully abiding the law, while there are others applauding militias taking up arms against the country and almost openly hoping for another Waco.

Which side are you on?

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Which side are you on?

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I don't believe that this situation should have escalated to the point that the gov. had to send in armed agents into this matter. Nothing good will come out of it.

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Why do folks with political ideologies, such as yourself, always result to personal attacks and offensive name calling?

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Didn't you call Rep. Cummings "a joke" yesterday? And when have you asked the same question of the many posters here who have called Obama, Clinton, Biden, etc., all sorts of hideous names?

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Which side are you on?

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The side brings force to the fight last.

Would militia be showing up if the government didn't surround the ranch with hundreds of heavily armed LEO's?

We should all do what Rex says and just go along with whatever the gooberment tells us to do.

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It is so easy to get under your skin.

Trust me I in no way wasted my best "petard" on someone as feeble minded and content to just follow the status quo as you. You give yourself way too much credit.

I applaud Mr. Bundy for having the bravery to standup for what he believes in. Calling someone a deadbeat for that is exactly what I said. Ignorant.

Here's a little more comedy for ya.

1.First Amendment rights.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Make no mistake, the entire land in question is public land, managed by the BLM. The BLM violates the rights of the U.S. citizens when it tries to create “no free speech zones” by cordoning off sections of the land for people to express their First Amendment rights. Not only the highway but also the the land itself (managed by the BLM) is public. As stated yesterday, there already exists a zone for people to express their First Amendment rights– it's called the United States of America. It is completely repugnant for the BLM to attempt to restrict those rights, and it suggests that the true intent of their actions and possibly the actions themselves are shameful. Today, we have unconfirmed reports that the cell towers that serve the Bundy's ranch have been shut down, suggesting that the law enforcement are intent on hiding their own actions. We have already seen the near riot that ensued when BLM officers with dogs, drawn tazers and holstered AR-15/M-16 were confronted by protestors armed only with wagging fingers and cell phone cameras. The BLM engaged with escalated violence first, and then reported to the mainstream media that their dog was kicked and the protestors had to be tazed to be controlled. Watch yesterday's video again and see for yourself if their claims hold true. The dog was clearly released on the person who kicked it. The officers tazed a person who was only armed with a wagging finger. For this reason, they want a communications blackout to perpetuate their skewed and false narrative.

2.Prior usage rights.
The southwest states of the United States of America have a long tradition of recognizing “prior usage rights”. There are land grants that trace their history clear back to the 1600s. Water rights are similarly recognized based upon when the water was first used for agricultural usage. Cliven Bundy's family's grazing rights can be traced back 150 years to the formation and recognition of the State of Nevada in 1864. The BLM was formed in 1946. It is clear that the Bundy's have prior usage rights that predate even the formation of the BLM. If you include the predecessor of the BLM– The General Land Office (GLO), which was formed in 1812, their formation could be considered to predate the Bundy's usage, but the fact that the land was continually grazed for over 150 years shows that the GLO and the subsequent BLM not only allowed but agreed to the land usage by the Bundy family. The courts have erred in their rulings over these usage rights and have either set a dangerous precedent or followed in the footsteps of decisions that overstep moral and ethical boundaries regarding imminent domain. This dangerous trend is becoming the powder keg that we see being worked out in this case. The fact that multiple branches of the federal government have ruled against what should be standard law simply shows that they are either colluding or ignorant. The rulings by the judges are a prime example of progressive judges creating law, rather than interpreting law.

3.Open range laws.
Under open range laws, if you don't want cattle grazing on your land, it is your responsibility to fence them out. By requiring the rancher to fence his own cattle out of the BLM land, they are placing unfair, unprecedented, and unlawful burden on the rancher. It is the responsibility of the BLM to erect fences around property they don't want grazed.

4.Moral and ethical issues.
Morals are what we do; ethics are what we ought to do. In this case, the Bundy's have chosen to press for their rights rather than knuckle under the heavy-handed tactics of the federal government. No tortoise nor any cow is worth the loss of human life, yet that is where this is headed if the federal government does not back down. There is suspicion that the contractors who have been brought in to remove the cows are killing many of them (whether by accident or design). There is suspicion that some wearing the BLM uniform are not duly sworn law enforcement officers.

5.Escalation of conflict.
So far, the conflict has been between the Bundy ranch, neighbors, a few friends and the BLM. As this drags on, the conflict will escalate with militia and others from across the country getting involved. The emotions will run higher. The thin line between anger and action will be narrowed, and at some point either a law enforcement officer who feels threatened or a protester who is being unfairly attacked will pull their firearm, and it will escalate into bloodshed. The longer the conflict runs, the greater the chance of this escalation occurring. The governor has already weighed in verbally in support of the Bundy's. Where is Harry Reid?

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I'm sorry... I know you tried to be sincere but I just had to laugh at most of that.

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Sounds like we should put BLM in charge of border security.