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Teachers' unions,ACLU object to bill criminalizing sex between school employees & students

Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:11 pm
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24752 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:11 pm
younger than 18

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Rhode Island's two teachers' unions and the American Civil Liberties Union affiliate in the state are objecting to a bill that would criminalize sex between school employees and students younger than 18 years old, the Providence Journal reported.

Those objecting to the bill have said it's wrong to single out teachers and other school employees, the Journal said, adding that Rhode Island is one of about 30 states where the age of consent is 16 years old.

Democratic state Rep. Alex Marszalkowski sponsored the bill that says any school employee — including bus drivers, vendors, and school volunteers with supervisory authority — would be guilty of third-degree sexual assault if they have sex with students between the ages of 14 and 18, the paper reported.

Existing state law says no crime has been committed if a teacher has sex with a student who is 16 or 17 years old unless force or coercion is involved, WPRI-TV reported. State law also says those who have sex with children younger than 14 are guilty of first-degree child molestation sexual assault, the Journal added.

More from the paper:

Erika Sanzi, an education advocate and blogger, said she asked her state representative to submit the bill after a previous bill was described as being too broad. That legislation would have made it a crime for anyone with custodial responsibility to have sex with someone between the ages of 14 and 18.

Marszalkowski decided to narrow the language after Sanzi described to him that, in several states, it is legal for a teacher to have sex with a student once that individual turns 16.

"What we're asking is that we protect students from all people who work with them in school," Sanzi testified to the House Judiciary Committee April 2, the Journal reported.

"The deterrent is, yes, they can be fired," she added, according to the paper, "but that means they can jump to anywhere else in the country and get another job preying on kids."

"All personnel records are confidential, so when my kid's teacher is fired for having sex with a student, I don't get to know about that," Sanzi said during a radio program, WPRI said. "If they don't lose their state license they can get a job in another district. And if they do lose their state license, they can go to any other state and do the same thing."

James Parisi, a lobbyist for the Rhode Island Federation of Teachers, said his union objects to the bill because it ignores adults in other professions who supervise those under the age of 18, the Journal noted.

"You should include all the adults who have employment or other types of authority over 15-, 16- and 17-year-olds," he wrote, according to the paper. "For example, why is a legislator having sexual relations with a page not included in the bill? What about store managers, athletic coaches, clergy, and volunteers in community organizations?"

Robert Walsh, executive director of the National Education Association Rhode Island, told the Journal that it's "patently ridiculous for anyone to imply that our organization, or any individual teacher, would condone any inappropriate relationship between a teacher and his or her students. We do not believe that this obvious standard needs legislation to back it up and agree with the ACLU's objections to several other technical flaws in the actual proposed legislation."

The ACLU's Rhode Island affiliate wrote that "singling out teachers, school bus drivers, etc., in this way is arbitrary and capricious," the Journal reported, adding that the ACLU also is concerned about school volunteers feeling the brunt of the bill, as coaches could be close in age to students

Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9520 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:14 pm to
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Rhode Island is one of about 30 states where the age of consent is 16 years old. 


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Existing state law says no crime has been committed if a teacher has sex with a student who is 16 or 17 years old unless force or coercion is involved, WPRI-TV reported. 


Their point makes sense.


Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
6844 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:35 pm to
The teacher being in a position of authority (real or percieved) should automatically be considered coercion.

And we know 16/17 year olds always make such well thought out decisions.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
3286 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:36 pm to
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And we know 16/17 year olds always make such well thought out decisions.


well according to dems, I guess if they can frick they can vote
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22290 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:40 pm to
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The teacher being in a position of authority (real or percieved) should automatically be considered coercion. And we know 16/17 year olds always make such well thought out decisions.


Agreed, and it gives pedophiles who have haven’t been ran through the system leverage, when prosecution is not enforced.
Posted by Joe Smo 1234
Member since Apr 2019
470 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:41 pm to
In N.Y. right now there are perverts/teachers sitting around in the schools doing nothing/not teaching anything drawing huge salaries because the unions won't let them be fired. And the few sane folks are fleeing N.Y. to the South where they fluck up the new nest they are flying to.
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