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re: Study Confirms Vaccine-Linked Myocarditis Deaths for First Time

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Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 8:55 am to
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Cool story.


How so? That is why they did it to protect their investment.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 8:56 am
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 8:55 am to
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That is why they did it.


So what.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93130 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 8:56 am to
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Employers can absolutely require vaccinations.


They can also require a gps on there phones as a condition of employment
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:01 am to
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They can also require a gps on there phones as a condition of employment



They sure can.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23043 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:04 am to
So you would need to justify why no other alternatives are available? You are still treating your employees as property by tracking their movements.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93130 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:05 am to
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They can also require a gps on there phones as a condition of employment


They sure can.



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Not within current law, it isn't.

You're a moron.


Interesting. But like always im right
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:06 am to
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Interesting


Here you go, sport.

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Why is requiring a GPS implant not legally allowable?
Posted by Tomatocantender
Boot
Member since Jun 2021
5575 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:10 am to
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Employers can absolutely require vaccinations.


I'm not aware of any other required vaccine for non civilian employees in the history of vaccines that wasn't done through Congress going on record and voting in the affirmative. However, this Covid vax mandate was done with ZERO input from Congress in November 2021 (3 months after Delta wave) and was accomplished in such a chicken shite backdoor way with OSHA and CMS. To make matters worse, Biden, Fauci et al said in 2020 that they would NEVER make a mandate for Covid vax because they don't have the legal footing. Are you okay with all of this as you come on here and cite your bullshite or would you like a mulligan? You're not the brightest bulb, are you?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93130 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:14 am to
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I'm not aware of any other required vaccine for non civilian employees


Displacedcuckeye is a hypocrite and not the brightest
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:18 am to
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Are you okay with all of this


That doesn't matter.

You idiots want to argue that "they can't do that." Legally, they can and have. It isn't new. You just have a problem with it now because you're stupid enough to allow it to be politicized for you.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:18 am to
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SDVTiger


Yeah, tell us more about GPS implants and company devices.

Dipshit.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46029 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:20 am to
Did they though?

They tried to use an OSHA loophole and failed in court. More vaccines were administered as a matter of private employment requirements than as a matter of government.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39157 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:22 am to
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I can understand that the virus reeks havoc on any organ but can anyone explain why the mRNA *vaccines attack the myocardium? Is it the spike protein and the cardiac muscle is especially attractive for the spike protein to plant itself? Also, when these that died of myocarditis that were the result of the *vaccine is it like a slow progression of reducing ejection fraction due dilated cardiomyopathy and eventual death due to heart failure.



So the mRNA vaccines are attempting to reproduce the greater efficacy of live virus or attenuated viral vaccines, but without the extremely high injury rate. For example, the smallpox vaccine produced elevated troponin levels of 1 in 200, with confirmed cases of myocarditis in something like 1 in 5500 people. The death rate from the smallpox vaccine was extremely high as well, with a rate around 1 in 1 million.

There are two generally theories of the pathogenesis of viral myocarditis, broken down into the acute and chronic models. In the acute model, you have the introduction of viral antigens that provokes an acute immunogenic response. Those with a non-predisposing immunogenetic background get effective viral clearance from myocardium and thus a self-limited resolution to viral-mediated myocarditis. In the chronic model, those with a predisposing immunogenetic profile, such as the case with people with certain HLA serotypes, a predisposition to autoimmunity or some sort of familial link to autoimmune conditions, might see breakdown of T cell tolerance to self-myocardial antigens, which leads to chronic myocytolysis due to humoral and/or cell-mediated organ-specific autoimmunity.

That state eventually will lead to dilated cardiomyopathy.

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Also, when these that died of myocarditis that were the result of the *vaccine is it like a slow progression of reducing ejection fraction due dilated cardiomyopathy and eventual death due to heart failure.


For the cases of DCM, it is more likely that you need persistent viral myocardial infection, including a possible asymptomatic period but with evidence of immune response in situ, and the possible development of autoantibodies, such as anti-alpha myosin antibodies, or anti Beta-1 adrenoreceptor antibodies or in some cases autoreactive T cells. Excessive activation of the Th17 pathway can also result in postviral autoimmune-mediated DCM.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:25 am to
They did. They got what they wanted and chose not to pursue it further.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:27 am to
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You are still treating your employees as property by tracking their movements.


You are tracking company property.
Posted by Tomatocantender
Boot
Member since Jun 2021
5575 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:27 am to
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Legally, they can and have. It isn't new.


It is new. No required employer vax for non-civilian employees nationwide has ever been implemented WITHOUT the input from Congress (you know, the people that are elected to represent us...even dumb shits like yourself). I figured you would have zero answer other than some "legal loophole" that Biden was able to manipulate. You are a fool if you're okay with this.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46029 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:28 am to
They really didnt. A flock of sheep rushing out to virtue signal at the end of a needle is nothing like a lawful and binding requirement to do so.

I dont disagree that they got much of what they wanted, and maybe they always knew how this would play out, but lets not pretend the government can legally compel vaccination unilaterally via executive edict.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:29 am to
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I figured you would have zero answer other than some "legal loophole" that Biden was able to manipulate.


You can dislike it. I'd agree.

But that's reality, despite your dislike.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:30 am to
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lets not pretend the government can legally compel vaccination unilaterally via executive edict


This isn't an assertion I've made.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46029 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:31 am to
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You idiots want to argue that "they can't do that." Legally, they can and have.
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