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re: Stolen History - Lifting the Veil of Deception (Doc Part 1 - Introduction)

Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:24 pm to
Posted by dr
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:24 pm to
so, I have done some home brew experiments to simulate mud flood dirt coverage.

very simple, Build a lego square building, single width wall thickness, door and window, and try to get it to fill completely.

only one thing will fill the building to the inside ceiling (above door opening)

a simulated dust storm. water/mud makes the building not fill completely, or destroys it in the process

but, put the little building in a box, use a shop vac to blow dry dirt in and it fills very well

that is disconcerting. a giant version of the dust bowl, world wide
Posted by dr
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:30 pm to
ww2 killed many, and that helped erase memories,
ww1 same

that helped wipe out 2-3 million people,

now, if you were selective as to who went to the front...

the main thrust of "correcting history" started with the great white fleet "for peace" 1900
Posted by Liberator
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:30 pm to
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We know for instance they weren’t there in 1940.

So they were around for about 50 years or as you say they were around way longer as some Sort of ancient one world civilization.

But when they were torn down there were thousands of Parisians old enough to remember either when they were built or if they were there way longer than the alleged date they were built.

Why would those people lie? And this is recent enough that the generation in talking about is would be a good many of our great grandparents. Not that far removed.

Why would they lie to their kids about the world expo?


Legit questions, Sammy

Look up the 1855, 1867, 1878, 1889, and 1900 Paris World's Fair photos and lithographs -- see which buildings remain from one fair to the next.

Don't forget WW1 and WW2 was used as an excuse to demolish a lot of this Olde World architecture in Europe.

You're asking me to understand why our leaders, politicians and Controllers are psychopaths ad pathological liars. (Something about POWER. And $$$$.) Some things NEVER change.

I agree. Many Parisians would be around to witness the changes, demolitions, the weird, contradictory timing.

And yes, even our grandparents might have been affected.

So what could have "re-calibrated" or "stolen" the collective memory?

tPTB have explained a lot of it this way:

Buildings were "damaged"...(WE RE-BUILT IT.) They were "destroyed." (WE RE-BUILT IT.)

Beautiful olde buildings were allowed to fall into disrepair for 20+ years. There was purposeful negligence. (Once people sorta forgot. Or mis-remembered. Or the buildings and memories were swept out of sight, out of mind. Wars came and went (1914-1918...1940-1945). 1919 Spanish Flu. Financial hardship and Depressions. ALL of it contributed to "Stolen History" and Revised History.

By the time the new Timelines are create, the people who still "remembered" were so thinned out in ranks that they were marginalized or considered "eccentric" or gaslit.

Memories get re-shuffled during times of Trauma.

Even now when pictures, lithographs and occasional true narratives emerge from the past that prove a different past, psychologically they become...almost mythical. Or just a "mistaken false memory."

Hope this rambling theory helped make some sense out of our vandalized past.


Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:36 pm to
Thread got the anchor.
Mississippi and all tributaries had major flooding ramping up all through the civil war. 1865-67 were the worst. Many towns were completely swept away, many not rebuilt until the 1890s. Some of the local histories in the southern towns call it the Lincoln Flood and it's a major time in regional history. It was all over the wartime and immediate postwar papers. But wiki doesn't list anything in the 1860s for Mississippi floods. It's mostly ignored in Civil War history. Actually the 1860s did officially have "great floods" in so many cities and countries around the world, a bunch of different great floods.


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This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 1:39 pm
Posted by dr
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:41 pm to
my dad served in ww2. flew L2 grasshoppers, which would make him army intel. he NEVER talked about the war, and never voted, or participated in the governing process, when asked would mumble under his breath, and change the subject.

many ww2 vets were like this.

instead, he buried himself in little league football coaching for almost 40 year until he died

I absolutely feel he saw/knew things that were too painful to talk about or admit

instead tried to make the world a better place teaching 8 year olds to play, and enjoy football

but, there was something there unsaid,

I think many with first hand knowledge couldn't come to grips with what they saw vs told
Posted by dr
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

Thread got the anchor.


gotta bury truth, that how it goes


anyway, the forming of the great raft seems pretty bs, too

great log raft
Posted by Liberator
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:45 pm to
...home brew experiments to simulate mud flood dirt coverage...[and] a giant version of the dust bowl, world wide

OUT-standing! Legos?? Very creative.

Dust-bowling. Mud-flooding. At a micro-scaled at your "lab." Good enough experiment to justify the twin-theories of how and why entire civilizations could possibly have been buried 15-60 below our feet.

We know so little about our recent cataclysmic history.

There are the theories on how the Pacific Northwest (near and around Puget Sound) was flooded not so long ago. Underwater tree still stand underwater in a restricted area of course.

Then there are the olde maps....showing NO Great Lakes in the 16th (?) century. Massive lakes in upper Canada melt off and break loose of a giant dammed glacier to create them? Including Niagara Falls? Creating and carving the Mississippi River all the way down to the Gulf? Rushing across the Plains States, creating the fertile flat plains?

Who really knows. And when. All theories must stay on the table.
Posted by Liberator
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

Thread got the anchor.


???
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

Buildings were "damaged"...(WE RE-BUILT IT.) They were "destroyed." (WE RE-BUILT IT.) Beautiful olde buildings were allowed to fall into disrepair for 20+ years. There was purposeful negligence. (Once people sorta forgot. Or mis-remembered. Or the buildings and memories were swept out of sight, out of mind. Wars came and went (1914-1918...1940-1945). 1919 Spanish Flu. Financial hardship and Depressions. ALL of it contributed to "Stolen History" and Revised History.


Again, that doesn’t make sense. If you are a Parisian woman born in 1875. You’re be in your 20s when these buildings were supposed to be built, and jn your 60s when they were torn town.

The women weren’t being sent to the front line for WWI. And looking at both WWI and WWII, Paris did well as a city. It wasn’t getting hammered like London or Dresden.

So again, every 60 year old French woman was gas lit in 1930s?

Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:05 pm to
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the fine lines are drawn in this
By "fine lines" you mean the sketch?

quote:

unfortunately, I have no paintings of that age to submit, hence "moderately provable"
You understand that a huge number of major works have undergone reflectography or radiography?
No.
Nevermind, obviously you don't.

So, for clarification, there are techniques used to detect forgeries that quite easily disprove old paintings as touched up photographs.

Scientists historically acted like scientists. They made observations, formed hypotheses, tested them, and documented everything they did. It's how we can track when photography was first attempted, why it failed, and when it first succeeded. The fact tree trunks are round, and were abundantly available to pre-Columbian (Ah! There that "mysterious" 'Columbia' word again) aboriginals, does not mean they discovered the wheel. They had the resources. They had the skill. They did not have the wheel.

Nor did anyone from the 16th, 17th or 18th century have a photograph. Nor is the earth flat. Sorry.

Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:07 pm to
You likely weren't educated to begin with as French woman. The French men underwent a genocide in WW1 and then a great depression everyone who survived on the move town to town for subsistence farming. The destruction and reset that was levied, the severance of the past was enormous. This is when the family bible disappeared, until world wars and depression every home kept the family bible which was much more than a bible, it was all lineage records, and the entire family history. Every family in the west had one. Now think what percentage have no clue where they came from beyond about their grandparents. They gaslight us NOW, lie about the news and put it in the kids history books and the kids come home and believe it over us. They had much easier to work with back then, the intelligentsia killed, the men sent to war, families destroyed, the geezers and uneducated battered women only ones left. What'd they have to do then, tell you a building was built when you were younger when it's actually older? You're one of the few still around in the same place that really remembers, doesn't succumb to social pressure, you're a crazy voice out in the wind.
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 2:09 pm
Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:30 pm to
Official history Photography wasn't really a scientific endeavor. I find it rather colorful, little tinkerers and big companies mostly in France USA and Britain stealing and trying to one-up each other with the next big thing. They didn't have this conception of this grand scientific method, they certainly didn't document it and not with any academic rigor, not as a rule. But it's just common logic and sense, the "scientific method". Many, like Daguerre, were uneducated tradesmen. It was an endeavor of craft, art and capitalism. They were trying to make money more than anything.
Posted by dr
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:33 pm to
as your reading comprehension is questionable, let me re-state

was it silver or nitric silver crystals ?

should I say it slower, or use pictures

neither of those tests would tell the difference between (repeat after me)

nitric silver crystals or silver


"It's how we can track when photography was first attempted"

no, not really, but you are all knowing so...

by the way, and are you a scientist? I am. You are just an armchair google meister
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 2:43 pm
Posted by dr
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

Official history Photography wasn't really a scientific endeavor. I find it rather colorful, little tinkerers and big companies mostly in France USA and Britain stealing and trying to one-up each other with the next big thing. They didn't have this conception of this grand scientific method, they certainly didn't document it and not with any academic rigor, not as a rule. But it's just common logic and sense, the "scientific method". Many, like Daguerre, were uneducated tradesmen. It was an endeavor of craft, art and capitalism. They were trying to make money more than anything.


That is correct and many didn't share the formulas that worked
nor did painters for pigments
a lot of knowledge was lost this way to discover the same thing over and over

oh my, look at this

1357 - Shroud of Turin contains what appears to be a sepia negative. Nobody’s sure how it was made or with what technology, but this is technically the earliest example of negative photography in the world.

how could that be??

hhmmm...

care to retract your statement NC?
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 2:50 pm
Posted by dr
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:41 pm to
additionally, lets recap a bit

why did the one building at the fair COMPLEX NOT catch fire while everything else was on fire?

How did a plaster structure survive 30 years of chicago winter?

How come you have to jump to another post without addressing the questions posted to your replys?

you can move along now, the adults are actually discussing interesting things, and you contribute very little as far as constructive stuff, but if you want to post pictures and books like you did, that is welcome
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:48 pm to
quote:

Official history Photography wasn't really a scientific endeavor.
Development of image reproduction absolutely was. e.g., Niepce.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:52 pm to
hhhmmm...

"1357 - Shroud of Turin contains what appears to be a sepia negative. Nobody’s sure how it was made or with what technology, but this is technically the earliest example of negative photography in the world."

take your time, read it slow
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 2:53 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

why did the one building at the fair COMPLEX NOT
(1) It was not one building. Nitwit. Several survived. As has been posted for you far too many times.
(2) It was several hundred yards from buildings that burned.
(3) It wasn't a "plaster structure" again, as has been posted for you far too many times. The venier was plaster. You don't read, so I posted pictures for you of the decimated venier. But apparently those didn't register with you either.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

"1357 - Shroud of Turin contains what appears to be a sepia negative. Nobody’s sure how it was made or with what technology, but this is technically the earliest example of negative photography in the world."
The shroud is not a "negative". Depending on belief, it's either a miracle, or it is an example of an application blot image.
Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:08 pm to
Niepce died young and left records, he is the exception to prove the rule

I just think the Eastman Kodak brownie is the most incredible leap in technology history. We had a Polaroid in the 1880s? Are you kidding me? Do you understand we spent decades experimenting with different formulas and plates, this one is a little crisper but worse coloration, this one requires less exposure time etc but it was all large separate pieces of equipment with plates and chemicals, and then boom we instantly get at least three major innovations all in one:
1) first use of film (worked wonderfully and Edison and the Frenchies would use Eastman's film to invent movies a few years later)
2) first self-contained portable consumer-use camera
3) first self printing camera
How was this all came upon suddenly, no slow transition to any of these along the way? No intermediate products from anywhere. shite is wild. Wouldn't Eastman Kodak's crack team of scientists have innovated these things separately and wouldn't the boss have wanted to show off their incremental innovations along the way? It's like going to the moon while the Wright Brothers are still figuring it out





How insane is it that the miniaturized automatic development dark room was invented before the actual dark room?
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 3:14 pm
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