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re: Stephen Miller- administration considering suspending habeas corpus

Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:35 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:35 am to
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It is not the role of the Judiciary to decide whether or not we are under invasion


If the authority to do so is granted by the Constitution or a statute, it's their role to make sure that the executive is only acting within his specific constitutional or statutory authority. Otherwise you give the executive literal unlimited powers
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:35 am to
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To intentionally limit government and disperse its power along with the threat of democracy and the factions referenced in Federalists 9 and 10


Yes, that's a nice textbook answer,

but deeper. I mean to the core.


It's a system to assist a group of people survive and thrive.


And what happens when that system no longer fulfills that function, or works against it?


Hint: it's in the Declaration of Independence.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:37 am to
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It is totally clear that immigration is being used for 'invasion.

It is time for the invasion to be ceased - and any judiciary involved to act, or not, accordingly because large swathes of the judiciary is also an invasion

perpetrated by the same forces


Calm your tits. That's irrational nonsense
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:39 am to
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Yes, that's a nice textbook answer,

but deeper. I mean to the core.


It's a system to assist a group of people survive and thrive.



You're changing what our actual Constitution is. There is a way to do that and it's via Amendment, not by random declaration.

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And what happens when that system no longer fulfills that function, or works against it?

Here's the fruit of the dishonest framing above

Again, if you don't think that it's functioning correctly, there's a way to correct that and it's the amendment process

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Hint: it's in the Declaration of Independence.

Literally are relevant to a discussion about our government as the declaration of Independence has no bearing on our actual government whatsoever
Posted by Rip Torn
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:39 am to
Stoping the executive at every turn isn’t checking the power of the executive, it’s intentionally disrupting the executive from carrying out its duties for political purposes. It has never been the role of the judiciary to question every decision
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:46 am to
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We're in a period of mass expansion of emotional thinking and shedding rationality, correct.


No.

We're in an expanding Information Age where more people can read the actual work product of our institutions and find them wanting.

The decisions that were accepted but not understood due to lack of information and trust in government are now being scrutinized and found to be absurd. You think some baw that graduated lsu in 1940 had easy access to Supreme Court opinions or criticisms of those opinions?

You used to frequently question fundamentally absurd Supreme Court precedence, but now that your insecurities have created irrational fear that those same courts won't protect you, you're defending their legitimacy.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:47 am to
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if you don't think that it's functioning correctly, there's a way to correct that and it's the amendment process


And when the system of alteration and change fails itself?

It becomes a mirage. Just keep crawling across the desert sand, a pool of water lies ahead.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:48 am to
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Again, if you don't think that it's functioning correctly, there's a way to correct that and it's the amendment process


I reject the court is acting within its constitutional remit.

Because it isn't.

Take that trash somewhere else.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:53 am to
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Stoping the executive at every turn isn’t checking the power of the executive

That depends entirely on the actions of the executive.

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It has never been the role of the judiciary to question every decision

Yes it has
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:56 am to
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We're in an expanding Information Age where more people can read the actual work product of our institutions and find them wanting.

Their ignorance in how the system works in combination of their feelings doesn't change our system. That's specifically why our system was built this way, to avoid that mass expansion of emotion and shedding rationality in large groups.

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The decisions that were accepted but not understood due to lack of information

Were? Are is still appropriate. See: This thread.

Your ignorance and inability to comprehend isn't the fault of those who aren't ignorant and do comprehend.

It is, however, our responsibility to educate you, which is what I am doing.

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but now that your insecurities have created irrational fear



Posted by texag7
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:57 am to
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I've only argued that removing them has to follow our laws and Constitution


This is true. You’ve never argued they should follow laws coming here
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:57 am to
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And when the system of alteration and change fails itself?

Generic words meant to create fear and nothing more.

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Just keep crawling across the desert sand, a pool of water lies ahead.

And more of the above
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:57 am to
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I reject the court is acting within its constitutional remit.

And yet you can't explain why other than randomly invalidating actions you don't like.

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Because it isn't.

Point above proven in real time
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 10:58 am to
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This is true. You’ve never argued they should follow laws coming here

If they're illegal aliens, this is baked into the analysis already...hence the "illegal" descriptor.

Or did you think using illegal meant they followed the laws?
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 11:00 am to
So the next step in due process is to find them and remove them.
Posted by texag7
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 11:01 am to
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If they're illegal aliens, this is baked into the analysis already...hence the "illegal" descriptor. Or did you think using illegal meant they followed the laws?


Try again.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 11:03 am to
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So the next step in due process is to find them and remove them.


Sure, within the limits of our laws and constitution.

Any action taken in violation of either is illegal and courts are mandated to rule as such.

Just became someone like Stephen Miller tells you it's legal doesn't make it so, and just because a court correctly rules an action is illegal doesn't mean they're acting politically, in violation of the Constitution, or are now somehow illegitimate.

That's just throwing a temper tantrum because you listened to dishonest or stupid people at the outset.
This post was edited on 5/10/25 at 11:03 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 11:04 am to
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Try again.



Their illegal behavior coming here is irrelevant to the analysis other than their status (being here illegally).
This post was edited on 5/10/25 at 11:05 am
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 11:09 am to
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That's just throwing a temper tantrum because you listened to dishonest or stupid people at the outset.


Only tds loons throw tantrums and I don’t need Stephen miller to tell me that illegals shouldn’t be here and if here rounded up and sent home. What are they going to argue in court? Please explain what argument an illegal alien has.
This post was edited on 5/10/25 at 11:11 am
Posted by 14&Counting
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 11:11 am to
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and just because a court correctly rules an action is illegal doesn't mean they're acting politically,




It's inherently political.
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