Sperry: FBI/DOJ & Mueller “Gonna be in a World of Hurt” Once Explosive FISA Memo Released

They are flooding the zone in anticipation of its release, that much is obvious.

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Aw look they're down voting me. that damn double standard is inconvenient isn't it?

MAGA

Correct.

You guys need to go lookup the procedures surrounding FISA warrants AND probably more importantly, how surveillance requests are attained under the 702 program.

The Attorney General has to sign off on every single 702 request.

So we're talking about Holder, Lynch, Yates, and Rosenstein all being involved/complicit in these abuses of the 702 program.

There's two separate things here...

1. Some IC senior official has to name a foreign person or entity they want surveiled/communications input into the FISA query database. And they have to supply the evidence/rationale for why. The AG then agrees and takes the request to the FISC for approval. A 12-month limit is then put on this person or entity (which can be renewed every 12 months).

2. Someone with proper security clearance level can request permission from the AG to enter the FISA SCIF and access the FISA database terminal to do queries on foreign persons or entities that are under 702 surveillance.

When they run a query, IF an American is on the other side of any collected communications, that American is supposed to be redacted. However, this person can go to the AG, who can then go to the FISC, and they can request to "unmask" this American if they supply rationale/evidence supporting why it's critical and in the interest of national security to unmask the American.


So the DOJ had to be involved in much of these supposed abuses just for the simple fact they are necessary just to get any surveillance requests even initiated and available in the database.

But after that, damn near anyone with certain security clearance can access the SCIF and run queries. Susan Rice, Susan Powers, Ben Rhodes, Comey, McCabe, Carlin, Baker, Brennan, Clapper, Rogers, Rosenstein, Yates, Lynch, and probably even certain Congressmen on intelligence committees. All these folks can abuse the 702 program and get Americans unmasked for purely subjective and fabricated reasons. The dossier would assuredly have been used as rational for not only securing 702 requests (on Kislyak, for instance), but also used as rationale to unmask the people Kislyak spoke to.


THIS is more of what we are going to learn from this memo.

People keep suggesting the memo details FISA Warrant abuse, but I'm telling you it's mostly about abuse of the 702 program inside FISA, which does not utilize warrants.

Good shite, Beef

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Correct.

You guys need to go lookup the procedures surrounding FISA warrants AND probably more importantly, how surveillance requests are attained under the 702 program.

The Attorney General has to sign off on every single 702 request.

So we're talking about Holder, Lynch, Yates, and Rosenstein all being involved/complicit in these abuses of the 702 program.

There's two separate things here...

1. Some IC senior official has to name a foreign person or entity they want surveiled/communications input into the FISA query database. And they have to supply the evidence/rationale for why. The AG then agrees and takes the request to the FISC for approval. A 12-month limit is then put on this person or entity (which can be renewed every 12 months).

2. Someone with proper security clearance level can request permission from the AG to enter the FISA SCIF and access the FISA database terminal to do queries on foreign persons or entities that are under 702 surveillance.

When they run a query, IF an American is on the other side of any collected communications, that American is supposed to be redacted. However, this person can go to the AG, who can then go to the FISC, and they can request to "unmask" this American if they supply rationale/evidence supporting why it's critical and in the interest of national security to unmask the American.


So the DOJ had to be involved in much of these supposed abuses just for the simple fact they are necessary just to get any surveillance requests even initiated and available in the database.

But after that, damn near anyone with certain security clearance can access the SCIF and run queries. Susan Rice, Susan Powers, Ben Rhodes, Comey, McCabe, Carlin, Baker, Brennan, Clapper, Rogers, Rosenstein, Yates, Lynch, and probably even certain Congressmen on intelligence committees. All these folks can abuse the 702 program and get Americans unmasked for purely subjective and fabricated reasons. The dossier would assuredly have been used as rational for not only securing 702 requests (on Kislyak, for instance), but also used as rationale to unmask the people Kislyak spoke to.


THIS is more of what we are going to learn from this memo.

People keep suggesting the memo details FISA Warrant abuse, but I'm telling you it's mostly about abuse of the 702 program inside FISA, which does not utilize warrants.

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Im just posting to save this.

I haven't verified its accuracy, but it damn sure sounds good. Where the frick has this guy been?

Our iq average just jumped up a couple of points to 65.

Thanks, new baw.

Eta: new baw has been here awhile...why ya hiding new baw? If you copied and pasted that...I take it all back, baw.

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Im just posting to save this.

I haven't verified its accuracy, but it damn sure sounds good. Where the frick has this guy been?

Our iq average just jumped up a couple of points to 65.

Thanks, new baw.

Eta: new baw has been here awhile...why ya hiding new baw? If you copied and pasted that...I take it all back, baw.

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Appreciate it. That's all me.

Search my post history. I'm long winded, but the information is good. I just like to be thorough and restate stuff multiple ways sometimes so some of the buffoons here can hopefully understand it better.

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1. Some IC senior official has to name a foreign person or entity they want surveiled/communications input into the FISA query database. And they have to supply the evidence/rationale for why. The AG then agrees and takes the request to the FISC for approval. A 12-month limit is then put on this person or entity (which can be renewed every 12 months)

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Not sure that's accurate. It depends on who the foreign target is, what their associations are (terrorists) and where they're from, etc. The FISA court does oversee all foreign intel operations, but sometimes they give blanket authorizations for some parts of the world. For example, the court may authorize "everything in Syria for 12 months" which means from that point on NSA is free to monitor whomever they want in Syria without consulting the court.

The problem is all of these authorizations are secret, so we don't know what parts of the world or individuals FISA has authorized at any given time. That's classified, so we'd only be guessing. However, I think it would be fair to say that NSA has pretty broad authority to spy on most human beings living abroad (unless they are US citizens abroad). I suspect we also probably cut deals with our allies (Europe, Canada, Australia, etc) not to spy on their citizens without prior consent from their governments.

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2. Someone with proper security clearance level can request permission from the AG to enter the FISA SCIF and access the FISA database terminal to do queries on foreign persons or entities that are under 702 surveillance.

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Pretty sure FBI has access to the NSA databases remotely through secured, encrypted computer terminals. The room inside the FBI where this is done might be a SCIF, but I am almost positive they don't have to contact the AG for every search they do (although I am sure all searches have to be logged with an explanation for why it was done).

The only thing you need the AG for is a FISA warrant. He/she has to sign off on each and every one of those involving US persons. In fact, the DoJ are the ones who actually go in front of the court to present the warrant request (FBI, CIA, NSA can't do it).

Therefore, you're right that Loretta Lynch's name would be on all the warrants involving Trump's team.

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When they run a query, IF an American is on the other side of any collected communications, that American is supposed to be redacted. However, this person can go to the AG, who can then go to the FISC, and they can request to "unmask" this American if they supply rationale/evidence supporting why it's critical and in the interest of national security to unmask the American.

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That's not how it works. An unmasking request does not have to go through the AG or the FISC. All unmasking requests go to the agency that collected the intelligence (almost always NSA since they specialize in SIGINT). The person requesting the unmasking must be cleared and have the authority to do it in the first place. This would be a relatively small pool of people like the AG, NSC staff, or some senior FBI, CIA, NSA officials, etc.)

The intelligence agency then reviews the request and decides if the person requesting it has a "need to know." The agency is within its full right to deny the request if they feel the intelligence value of the transcript is minimal or if they feel it can be fully understood without knowing who the American is. In reality, though, I doubt denials happen much, especially when a big dog like the national security adviser (Rice) or the AG (Lynch) or the FBI director (Comey) is the one requesting it. The truth is we don't know exactly how unmasking is done, what the requirements are, what the internal procedures are, what "reasons" are legitimate, etc. We have a general idea, but not the details.

By the way, I think the 702 searches were going on months before the dossier ever came into existence. I bet you this is what spawned the dossier's creation in the first place.

That shite reads like a Snope article.

Can't believe the House Intelligence Committee is releasing stuff like that.

They fricked.